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I actually have had physical boxes with Hetzner, as suggested by the author, for over 10 years, and ran multiple projects on them. Of course I had my share of d

I actually have had physical boxes with Hetzner, as suggested by the author, for over 10 years, and ran multiple projects on them. Of course I had my share of disk failures. You tell them the disk serial via a special form, tell them when the necessary downtime for the swap is least disturbing for you, and someone switches the disk as requested. 5 minutes later the machine is up again, you trigger RAID rebuild, and that's it. Doesn't cost a dime to do this, and not more than 20 minutes of work and 10 minutes downtime from my side.

mark242 7y ago
"Doesn't cost a dime to do this, and not more than 20 minutes of work and 10 minutes downtime from my side." Your work isn't free. Application downtime is costing you.
- Slartie 7y ago
  The exact monetary cost of work time and application downtime (if there even is any, maybe you just shift the load to the second box) varies greatly depending on the context in which the respective project is run (hobby vs. paid-for, I've had both types), which is why I offered time estimates for these costs instead of a monetary amount. The stated monetary amount of "zero" refers to the provider not charging me anything for the new disk itself and the work of changing the disk.
LoSboccacc 7y ago
congratulations, you are renting a managed cloud server.
- Slartie 7y ago
  There's common consent that the lowest bar for some hosting to qualify for the "cloud" moniker is that it must abstract from the physical hardware. Most people would even add that it is necessary for some kind of management system to exist which allows for _automated_ provision of your resources. Renting bare metal instead of owning does not meet this lowest bar. Getting some remote hands service on top with your rental does not change this classification.

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I actually have had physical boxes with Hetzner, as suggested by the author, for over 10 years, and ran multiple projects on them. Of course I had my share of d

by Slartie 7y ago

mark242 7y ago
"Doesn't cost a dime to do this, and not more than 20 minutes of work and 10 minutes downtime from my side." Your work isn't free. Application downtime is costing you.
- Slartie 7y ago
  The exact monetary cost of work time and application downtime (if there even is any, maybe you just shift the load to the second box) varies greatly depending on the context in which the respective project is run (hobby vs. paid-for, I've had both types), which is why I offered time estimates for these costs instead of a monetary amount. The stated monetary amount of "zero" refers to the provider not charging me anything for the new disk itself and the work of changing the disk.
LoSboccacc 7y ago
congratulations, you are renting a managed cloud server.
- Slartie 7y ago
  There's common consent that the lowest bar for some hosting to qualify for the "cloud" moniker is that it must abstract from the physical hardware. Most people would even add that it is necessary for some kind of management system to exist which allows for _automated_ provision of your resources. Renting bare metal instead of owning does not meet this lowest bar. Getting some remote hands service on top with your rental does not change this classification.