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This is a good piece. I don't believe (I'm probably mistaken) it's a US take. But it's still good. I came through it from the other side and used software royal
by howard941 7y ago
This is a good piece. I don't believe (I'm probably mistaken) it's a US take. But it's still good. I came through it from the other side and used software royalties to pay my way through law school. I didn't have a CS or engineering degree and that ruled out practicing before the Federal patent bar: Make sure you realize this if you start taking law school classes, you need the undergrad engrg or CS degree in the US to sit for that exam and practice before the bar in that specialty. My geekdom precedes most CS major offerings and all but a handful of computer engineering offerings.
Other observations-
- Engineers make fucking excellent lawyers. Statutes construed alongside caselaw is sort of like data sheets alongside a schematic and code. You'll blow past everyone else in school and research will be a snap. When you get out to the real world don't spend too much on electronic research. Two services are there to service white shoe firms. You can't afford them if you're not one of the people I reference in the YMMV, infra
- Good engineer attys are efficient and effective and don't hold back the truth. Your clients will come back to you and trust you. You will be a rainmaker on merit. But schmoozing, man, learn it if you don't do it. I can't: It hurt. YMMV if you practice for a large firm and are expected to book 8K billable hours per year. At that point you're doing something exceptional (not a judgment)
- US judges are a mixed bag, elected or appointees. I preferred elected judges but wound up practicing 90% of the time before Federal appointees. Until early noughts the appointees were great. The statutes and binding caselaw in front of them may not make a difference. Unfortunately they're not like compilers or circuitry. You became an atty/engrnr because you're brilliant. But you need to schmooze or latch on to a partner to bring clients in and take the schmoozing bit on for you. Seek them out in law school and hang up your shingle with them. Don't go solo if you neither schmooze nor practice well. Don't go into law if you lie, please. If you don't schmooze, and if you forget to suppress your brilliance in arguments your client will get fucked. You'll get fucked if you have a temper and cross the contempt line (but that's really hard to do if you're sane enough to get through law school without a thorazine drip)
Bottom line: Go for it. My 2.5 years at law school were the most fun I had in my life. My 10 years practicing were stressful and not worth doing (I didn't have the schmoozer partner) but the education and my law license carries me forward in my engineering career, hopefully will get me into a corner office when geeking tires me. And it breaks the ice with my geeky colleagues who always need advice.
Copyedits for slightly improved readability. AMA here or by email if you wanna dig deeper
- walterbell 7y agoAny legaltech startups that you like?
- howard941 7y agoOne posted here on HN about to offer bankruptcy services. One of the problems with that besides them not having Florida counsel is that the consumer bankruptcy market's been in a race to the bottom after BAPCPA passed (something like 2007 or 8 I forget). Between petition prepares acting as pseudo attorneys and actual law firms bifurcating their services in what used to be an impermissible way (small amount pre-filing, more "optionally" on installments after filing but immediately before meeting of creditors) the only feasible bankruptcy practice is one that's willing to litigate creditors in bankruptcy court on non-bankruptcy matters, one that has the stick toitiveness to seek appointment by the court to recover exemplary damages for the estate - provided there's a cut for the client - and there aren't bankruptcy courts everywhere. The firm has to be < 15 minutes from the courthouse or the clerk will so screw up your schedule you'll never be able to attend creditor meetings, hearings, and meet with clients. Were there other startups you had in mind, or could link me to?
- walterbell 7y agoAtrium (ex-Twitch founder): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20239883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20239883 DoNotPay evolving ..? https://www.technologyreview.com/s/609418/this-chatbot-will-help-you-sue-anyone/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/609418/this-chatbot-will-... Here are some reviews of Stanford's FutureLaw 2019: http://www.legalexecutiveinstitute.com/futurelaw-2019/ http://www.legalexecutiveinstitute.com/futurelaw-2019/ https://www.lawzam.com/blog/a-retrospective-on-the-codex-futurelaw-conference-2019/ https://www.lawzam.com/blog/a-retrospective-on-the-codex-fut...
- lawtomated 7y agoThis is a really good overview of the legaltech start-up ecosystem as it is today. Slightly European focus, but increasingly global: https://www.legalgeek.co/startup-map/ https://www.legalgeek.co/startup-map/ It's produced by one of the major legaltech meet-up / events groups, legalgeek, in conjunction with Thomson Reuters, who are also a major legaltech provider.