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It's too bad this is being downvoted. It is exactly something Trump would say in a similar situation.

by Hypx 7y ago

zaroth 7y ago
Read the actual blog post in question from Tesla, complete with the context, technical background and discussion, graphics, and supporting data. [1] Pretty much anyone can be made to sound like anything when you take a sound bite. I’ll take this blog post from Tesla over, for example, the Ford commercial showing their concept electric truck pulling a train, any day. [1] - https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury...
- bambax 7y ago
  It's not "a sound bite", it's the title of the blog post, in a font twice as big as the rest of the article. And, maybe Ford also sounds like Trump. I don't know. Maybe all salesmen sound alike. I don't much care. "But some other guy did it before" is a weak argument.
- navigatesol 7y ago
  >I’ll take this blog post from Tesla over, for example, the Ford commercial showing their concept electric truck pulling a train, any day. Sounds like you have some pretty serious bias. Meanwhile, Tesla claims their non-existent truck concept can pull 300,000lbs. Has Ford ever claimed something similar?
  - jowsie 7y ago
    Ford literally claimed their truck can pull over 1 million lbs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au3U72CX74I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au3U72CX74I
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    - vonmoltke 7y ago
      Which it did: https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a28506476/ford-electric-f150-train-tow-physics-explained/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a28506476/ford-electri... It just isn't as big an accomplishment as it looks, since it was on a railway.
      - zaroth 7y ago
        Both Tesla and Ford make a factual claim that has important caveats. Tesla Model 3 does have the lowest weighted probability of an injury of any car ever tested by NHTSA. The Ford prototype did pull 1 million pounds of railway cars. In the case of Tesla, it’s important to understand the limits and intent of the test and that it’s the lowest probability of injury when crashing into certain types of stationary objects or cars of roughly the same mass. That’s an important caveat but the Tesla did score much better than any other car ever has, and I think it’s fair to brag about that. In the case of the Ford, it turns out any vehicle that can pull with ~2,000 lbs of force could do the same thing. To me, that makes the demo basically a gimmick and “misleading” to the general public. By comparison, the world record holder for pulling a train with his teeth pulled over 575,000 pounds. Ok, now that’s impressive! [1] [1] - https://youtu.be/CTeb19ICMD4 https://youtu.be/CTeb19ICMD4
0xcde4c3db 7y ago
It's true that Trump loves his superlatives; many people have noted that to him, something or someone seemingly has to be either the best ever or the worst ever with no middle ground. On its own, though, that's not very relevant to the Tesla story. It might be made more substantive by linking it to a larger issue, such as how we think about the line between acceptable puffery [1] and unacceptable false advertising, and how that interacts with the mindsets of sales versus product definition versus implementation. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery

It's too bad this is being downvoted. It is exactly something Trump would say in a similar situation.

by Hypx 7y ago

It's too bad this is being downvoted. It is exactly something Trump would say in a similar situation.

Read the actual blog post in question from Tesla, complete with the context, technical background and discussion, graphics, and supporting data. [1] Pretty much anyone can be made to sound like anything when you take a sound bite. I’ll take this blog post from Tesla over, for example, the Ford commercial showing their concept electric truck pulling a train, any day. [1] - https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury...

bambax 7y ago
It's not "a sound bite", it's the title of the blog post, in a font twice as big as the rest of the article. And, maybe Ford also sounds like Trump. I don't know. Maybe all salesmen sound alike. I don't much care. "But some other guy did it before" is a weak argument.
navigatesol 7y ago
>I’ll take this blog post from Tesla over, for example, the Ford commercial showing their concept electric truck pulling a train, any day. Sounds like you have some pretty serious bias. Meanwhile, Tesla claims their non-existent truck concept can pull 300,000lbs. Has Ford ever claimed something similar?
- jowsie 7y ago
  Ford literally claimed their truck can pull over 1 million lbs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au3U72CX74I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au3U72CX74I
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  - vonmoltke 7y ago
    Which it did: https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a28506476/ford-electric-f150-train-tow-physics-explained/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a28506476/ford-electri... It just isn't as big an accomplishment as it looks, since it was on a railway.
    - zaroth 7y ago
      Both Tesla and Ford make a factual claim that has important caveats. Tesla Model 3 does have the lowest weighted probability of an injury of any car ever tested by NHTSA. The Ford prototype did pull 1 million pounds of railway cars. In the case of Tesla, it’s important to understand the limits and intent of the test and that it’s the lowest probability of injury when crashing into certain types of stationary objects or cars of roughly the same mass. That’s an important caveat but the Tesla did score much better than any other car ever has, and I think it’s fair to brag about that. In the case of the Ford, it turns out any vehicle that can pull with ~2,000 lbs of force could do the same thing. To me, that makes the demo basically a gimmick and “misleading” to the general public. By comparison, the world record holder for pulling a train with his teeth pulled over 575,000 pounds. Ok, now that’s impressive! [1] [1] - https://youtu.be/CTeb19ICMD4 https://youtu.be/CTeb19ICMD4

0xcde4c3db 7y ago

It's true that Trump loves his superlatives; many people have noted that to him, something or someone seemingly has to be either the best ever or the worst ever with no middle ground. On its own, though, that's not very relevant to the Tesla story. It might be made more substantive by linking it to a larger issue, such as how we think about the line between acceptable puffery [1] and unacceptable false advertising, and how that interacts with the mindsets of sales versus product definition versus implementation. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery