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I was mistaken about SS and healthcare. Okay. >They also don't suffer checkpoints etc, and can certainly move residences. You're wrong. They cannot leave East

I was mistaken about SS and healthcare. Okay. >They also don't suffer checkpoints etc, and can certainly move residences. You're wrong. They cannot leave East Jerusalem and retain the classification. I'm on my phone so I don't have access to my journal database but here is an infographic that cites btselem and a researcher https://s3.amazonaws.com/VP2/visuals/en/209b704ee29e771176152bcff19c19e7.png?2016 https://s3.amazonaws.com/VP2/visuals/en/209b704ee29e77117615... . And They indeed do suffer from checkpoints - I've seen them myself - because there are towns on the other side of the wall that are technically East Jerusalem. There are East Jerusalem villages cleaved in half by the wall. >The US doesn't grant US permanent resident or citizen status to Iraqis and Afghanis, either. This is a gross oversimplification of eg Hebron where Israeli citizens are by absolutely any measure illegal residents and yet Israel does not evict them, idf protects them, and Palestinians suffer. How do you imagine the US government would handle a us community moving to Kabul and stealing land?

NeverFade 7y ago
> They indeed do suffer from checkpoints - I've seen them myself - because there are towns on the other side of the wall that are technically East Jerusalem. There are East Jerusalem villages cleaved in half by the wall. You are talking about towns and villages that are not part of "East Jerusalem". East Jerusalem is just a part of Jerusalem, which is a city. There are no checkpoints within the city. Of course as always in the case of Israel, there's vicious fallacious propaganda to paint Israel as a villain, claiming that villages that are miles away from Jerusalem should be considered part of it and their residents should also be granted residency.
- mlevental 7y ago
  >Of course as always in the case of Israel, there's vicious fallacious propaganda to paint Israel as a villain, claiming that villages that are miles away from Jerusalem should be considered part of it and their residents should also be granted residency. irony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafr_%27Aqab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafr_%27Aqab >While Kafr 'Aqab was unilaterally annexed by Israel with the rest of East Jerusalem and falls under its full jurisdiction, it is separated from Jerusalem by the Israeli West Bank barrier. more @ https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-15-years-of-separation-palestinians-cut-off-from-jerusalem-by-a-wall-1.5888001 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-15-yea... >"Much has been spoken and written about the Shoafat refugee camp (population: 30,000), which suffers from a dearth of infrastructure and from poverty. Kafr Aqab (25,000 inhabitants) and its adjacent neighborhoods are in a similar situation. Officially, they lie within Jerusalem’s municipal jurisdiction, but in practice, they receive woefully inadequate services from the city."
  - NeverFade 7y ago
    Read the article you just linked: > Kafr 'Aqab is located 11.2 kilometers (7.0 mi) north of Central Jerusalem and 2 kilometers (1.2 mi) southeast of Ramallah. This village is literally 5 times closer to Ramallah than it is to Jerusalem. Jerusalem and Israel itself aren't very large, 7 miles is in fact a huge instance in Israel-scale. Someone saw a potential for political gain by describing a distant village as "a neighborhood of East Jerusalem", and you decided to repeat this propaganda. This conflict is rife with propaganda, I suggest you check your facts instead of unwittingly helping to spread disinformation.
    - mlevental 7y ago
      you're retroactively declaring east jerusalem what the wall includes rather than what was east jerusalem really is (or was). here is east jerusalem according to any city planning/organization definition https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/EastJerusalemMap.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/EastJeru... notice shufat refugee camp inside pre 67 municipality boundary here is how the wall partitioned east jerusalem https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Jerusalem-barrier_June_2007-OCHAoPt.jpeg/1024px-Jerusalem-barrier_June_2007-OCHAoPt.jpeg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Je... notice shufat and anata and etc being excluded. >This conflict is rife with propaganda, I suggest you check your facts instead of unwittingly helping to spread disinformation. you can keep repeating this as much as you want but so far you haven't presented any evidence to the contrary other that your own vociferous accusations.
      - NeverFade 7y ago
        You are linking random propaganda and trying to legitimize it with phrases like "here is east jerusalem according to any city planning/organization definition". Clearly the Israelis don't accept this definition. You are presenting an untenable Palestinian position as absolute truth. Nobody objective looking at this map would consider Kafr 'Aqab to be part of East Jerusalem. Someone drew an odd-shaped tentacle extending very far away from the city so it will be unnaturally and unreasonably included, for political purposes.

NeverFade 7y ago

> They indeed do suffer from checkpoints - I've seen them myself - because there are towns on the other side of the wall that are technically East Jerusalem. There are East Jerusalem villages cleaved in half by the wall. You are talking about towns and villages that are not part of "East Jerusalem". East Jerusalem is just a part of Jerusalem, which is a city. There are no checkpoints within the city. Of course as always in the case of Israel, there's vicious fallacious propaganda to paint Israel as a villain, claiming that villages that are miles away from Jerusalem should be considered part of it and their residents should also be granted residency.

mlevental 7y ago
>Of course as always in the case of Israel, there's vicious fallacious propaganda to paint Israel as a villain, claiming that villages that are miles away from Jerusalem should be considered part of it and their residents should also be granted residency. irony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafr_%27Aqab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafr_%27Aqab >While Kafr 'Aqab was unilaterally annexed by Israel with the rest of East Jerusalem and falls under its full jurisdiction, it is separated from Jerusalem by the Israeli West Bank barrier. more @ https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-15-years-of-separation-palestinians-cut-off-from-jerusalem-by-a-wall-1.5888001 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-15-yea... >"Much has been spoken and written about the Shoafat refugee camp (population: 30,000), which suffers from a dearth of infrastructure and from poverty. Kafr Aqab (25,000 inhabitants) and its adjacent neighborhoods are in a similar situation. Officially, they lie within Jerusalem’s municipal jurisdiction, but in practice, they receive woefully inadequate services from the city."
- NeverFade 7y ago
  Read the article you just linked: > Kafr 'Aqab is located 11.2 kilometers (7.0 mi) north of Central Jerusalem and 2 kilometers (1.2 mi) southeast of Ramallah. This village is literally 5 times closer to Ramallah than it is to Jerusalem. Jerusalem and Israel itself aren't very large, 7 miles is in fact a huge instance in Israel-scale. Someone saw a potential for political gain by describing a distant village as "a neighborhood of East Jerusalem", and you decided to repeat this propaganda. This conflict is rife with propaganda, I suggest you check your facts instead of unwittingly helping to spread disinformation.
  - mlevental 7y ago
    you're retroactively declaring east jerusalem what the wall includes rather than what was east jerusalem really is (or was). here is east jerusalem according to any city planning/organization definition https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/EastJerusalemMap.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/EastJeru... notice shufat refugee camp inside pre 67 municipality boundary here is how the wall partitioned east jerusalem https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Jerusalem-barrier_June_2007-OCHAoPt.jpeg/1024px-Jerusalem-barrier_June_2007-OCHAoPt.jpeg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Je... notice shufat and anata and etc being excluded. >This conflict is rife with propaganda, I suggest you check your facts instead of unwittingly helping to spread disinformation. you can keep repeating this as much as you want but so far you haven't presented any evidence to the contrary other that your own vociferous accusations.
    - NeverFade 7y ago
      You are linking random propaganda and trying to legitimize it with phrases like "here is east jerusalem according to any city planning/organization definition". Clearly the Israelis don't accept this definition. You are presenting an untenable Palestinian position as absolute truth. Nobody objective looking at this map would consider Kafr 'Aqab to be part of East Jerusalem. Someone drew an odd-shaped tentacle extending very far away from the city so it will be unnaturally and unreasonably included, for political purposes.