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Note that the palestinians themselves also don't really seem to acknowledge jews as citizen of Israel or as entitled to their own state (calling Israel "the zio

by bsaul 7y ago

Note that the palestinians themselves also don't really seem to acknowledge jews as citizen of Israel or as entitled to their own state (calling Israel "the zionist entity", and not even representing their neighbour on a map in schoolbooks). Also, note that this view is also shared by a lot of arab countries. This indeed doesn't paint a very bright future for the region.

mantap 7y ago
Why would they when Israel doesn't recognize Palestine as a state? Why should anybody maintain that double standard least of all the people who are at the raw end of it. Do you think that if they did recognize Israel then Israel would automatically return the favor and recognize a Palestinian state? Of course not.
- didgeoridoo 7y ago
  “Barak offered to form a Palestinian state initially on 73% of the West Bank (that is, 27% less than the Green Line borders) and 100% of the Gaza Strip.”[0] This is exactly what Israel proposed at Camp David in 2000. Arafat rejected it without a counter-offer. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit
- bsaul 7y ago
  i think the original 1947 UN proposition of partition was accepted by the jews and not the arab population of the region (at the time we didn't use the term "palestinian" to speak of arabs living there). This was the best time because the situation was a bit more symetrical then. Just two people on one land who couldn't live next to each others and had to be split.
- ocschwar 7y ago
  > Why would they when Israel doesn't recognize Palestine as a state? In order to get Palestine recognized by Israel as a state. > Do you think that if they did recognize Israel then Israel would automatically return the favor and recognize a Palestinian state? Israel holds regular elections in which power is peacefully handed over. The Israeli public is a lot more likely to recognize a Palestinian state if that state's actions include something better than continual promises to restore Jews to a subjugated state. But, Hamas's Gaza continues to hold rallies in which such lovely slogans as "Palestine is ours and the Jews are our dogs." Seems a little counter productive.
bayesian_horse 7y ago
Both don't acknowledge each others right for existence, at least at the level of their political leadership. Even though I believe Palestinians have committed lots of wrong against Israelis, and I acknowledge their right to defend or protect themselves, I can't blame Palestinians for feeling oppressed, hopeless and angry. It would be superhuman to expect them to not have these emotions. Israel is clearly dominant, militarily and in every other way. That also means they have the bigger responsibility to go first in terms of peace.

by bsaul 7y ago

mantap 7y ago

Why would they when Israel doesn't recognize Palestine as a state? Why should anybody maintain that double standard least of all the people who are at the raw end of it. Do you think that if they did recognize Israel then Israel would automatically return the favor and recognize a Palestinian state? Of course not.

didgeoridoo 7y ago
“Barak offered to form a Palestinian state initially on 73% of the West Bank (that is, 27% less than the Green Line borders) and 100% of the Gaza Strip.”[0] This is exactly what Israel proposed at Camp David in 2000. Arafat rejected it without a counter-offer. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit
bsaul 7y ago
i think the original 1947 UN proposition of partition was accepted by the jews and not the arab population of the region (at the time we didn't use the term "palestinian" to speak of arabs living there). This was the best time because the situation was a bit more symetrical then. Just two people on one land who couldn't live next to each others and had to be split.
ocschwar 7y ago
> Why would they when Israel doesn't recognize Palestine as a state? In order to get Palestine recognized by Israel as a state. > Do you think that if they did recognize Israel then Israel would automatically return the favor and recognize a Palestinian state? Israel holds regular elections in which power is peacefully handed over. The Israeli public is a lot more likely to recognize a Palestinian state if that state's actions include something better than continual promises to restore Jews to a subjugated state. But, Hamas's Gaza continues to hold rallies in which such lovely slogans as "Palestine is ours and the Jews are our dogs." Seems a little counter productive.

bayesian_horse 7y ago

Both don't acknowledge each others right for existence, at least at the level of their political leadership. Even though I believe Palestinians have committed lots of wrong against Israelis, and I acknowledge their right to defend or protect themselves, I can't blame Palestinians for feeling oppressed, hopeless and angry. It would be superhuman to expect them to not have these emotions. Israel is clearly dominant, militarily and in every other way. That also means they have the bigger responsibility to go first in terms of peace.