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In yesterday's world, yeah. Today, when you have to take off your shoes to get onto a plane in the US, I don't see that happening.

by abraae 7y ago

tolien 7y ago
Not even in recent times; since Lockerbie they’ll offload your bags if you’re not on the flight. If BA put aircraft in the air without any idea who was on them, they’d be rapidly forced to land again with the threat of being shot down.
- jon-v 7y ago
  But you don't actually need IT systems to record who is on the flight - all you need is a pre-printed list of legit passengers and a pen.
  - tolien 7y ago
    Yeah - the GGP is talking about just letting anyone go though: > let anyone onboard with […] sufficient story about buying one > some people might get a free ride As dagw’s comment points out they’re using the pen and paper approach; however, it takes longer and missed slots/out of place crews can cascade catastrophically.
- mgkimsal 7y ago
  > since Lockerbie they’ll offload your bags if you’re not on the flight. Not in the US... Even back in the 90s - just a few years after Lockerbie - we had some UK guests staying with us. We flew from Detroit to Vegas for a few days. They're luggage got put on a different plane, and ended up in LA. They were horrified and couldn't figure out why their luggage was on a flight they weren't on. Doesn't seem to be a big concern in the US, as I've had my own luggage get on wrong flights at least twice in the past 5 years, and I don't actually fly all that much (2-3 flights a year max).
  - viraptor 7y ago
    You're mixing a mistake (luggage redirected) with a specific situation (missing passenger). Mistakes happen. But known abandoned luggage will be offloaded.
- agurk 7y ago
  In 2015 I was flying from Copenhagen to Helsinki with Finnair. I missed the flight after checking in, and they didn't unload my bag, although they should have. I was waiting in the lounge as it kept being delayed further and further, with the standard 'go to gate' message. Unfortunately they were also slow at updating the status and it went seamlessly into 'gate closed'. I ran to the gate, but was too late. The staff there seemed surprised that they'd missed me - they weren't even aware they were missing a passenger. The fun then started trying to get my bag back. Copenhagen airport made me wait around for hours for my bag to arrive at the designated unloading carousel, and wouldn't open a missing bag ticket. Eventually they had to concede it had gone missing somewhere after I found the baggage handler who'd unloaded some bags from my flight saying he hadn't unloaded mine. They still wouldn't admit it had flown ahead of me, even as a possibility. When I then got to Helsinki on the next flight, I went to the counter and told them they had my bag. Again they told me there was no possibility they had it, and wouldn't even look. So I gave them my ticket number and left. They found my bag shortly after I left, of course.
jon-v 7y ago
I have on multiple occasions been boarded by pen and paper in the US when technical issues prevented the electronic systems from being used - somehow airline/ground staff in the US often seem more empowered to do this sort of thing than their European counterparts.
- goodcanadian 7y ago
  It may be a difference between domestic and international flights.
  - pcardoso 7y ago
    At least in Europe going to/from the UK is a lot more cumbersome than to another EU country, since they are not in the Schengen area. It is far easier to fly to Switzerland than to the UK.

In yesterday's world, yeah. Today, when you have to take off your shoes to get onto a plane in the US, I don't see that happening.

by abraae 7y ago

In yesterday's world, yeah. Today, when you have to take off your shoes to get onto a plane in the US, I don't see that happening.

tolien 7y ago

Not even in recent times; since Lockerbie they’ll offload your bags if you’re not on the flight. If BA put aircraft in the air without any idea who was on them, they’d be rapidly forced to land again with the threat of being shot down.

jon-v 7y ago
But you don't actually need IT systems to record who is on the flight - all you need is a pre-printed list of legit passengers and a pen.
- tolien 7y ago
  Yeah - the GGP is talking about just letting anyone go though: > let anyone onboard with […] sufficient story about buying one > some people might get a free ride As dagw’s comment points out they’re using the pen and paper approach; however, it takes longer and missed slots/out of place crews can cascade catastrophically.
mgkimsal 7y ago
> since Lockerbie they’ll offload your bags if you’re not on the flight. Not in the US... Even back in the 90s - just a few years after Lockerbie - we had some UK guests staying with us. We flew from Detroit to Vegas for a few days. They're luggage got put on a different plane, and ended up in LA. They were horrified and couldn't figure out why their luggage was on a flight they weren't on. Doesn't seem to be a big concern in the US, as I've had my own luggage get on wrong flights at least twice in the past 5 years, and I don't actually fly all that much (2-3 flights a year max).
- viraptor 7y ago
  You're mixing a mistake (luggage redirected) with a specific situation (missing passenger). Mistakes happen. But known abandoned luggage will be offloaded.
agurk 7y ago
In 2015 I was flying from Copenhagen to Helsinki with Finnair. I missed the flight after checking in, and they didn't unload my bag, although they should have. I was waiting in the lounge as it kept being delayed further and further, with the standard 'go to gate' message. Unfortunately they were also slow at updating the status and it went seamlessly into 'gate closed'. I ran to the gate, but was too late. The staff there seemed surprised that they'd missed me - they weren't even aware they were missing a passenger. The fun then started trying to get my bag back. Copenhagen airport made me wait around for hours for my bag to arrive at the designated unloading carousel, and wouldn't open a missing bag ticket. Eventually they had to concede it had gone missing somewhere after I found the baggage handler who'd unloaded some bags from my flight saying he hadn't unloaded mine. They still wouldn't admit it had flown ahead of me, even as a possibility. When I then got to Helsinki on the next flight, I went to the counter and told them they had my bag. Again they told me there was no possibility they had it, and wouldn't even look. So I gave them my ticket number and left. They found my bag shortly after I left, of course.

jon-v 7y ago

I have on multiple occasions been boarded by pen and paper in the US when technical issues prevented the electronic systems from being used - somehow airline/ground staff in the US often seem more empowered to do this sort of thing than their European counterparts.

goodcanadian 7y ago
It may be a difference between domestic and international flights.
- pcardoso 7y ago
  At least in Europe going to/from the UK is a lot more cumbersome than to another EU country, since they are not in the Schengen area. It is far easier to fly to Switzerland than to the UK.