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In addition, our method has been designed to require user consent in order to function. This requirement ensures the technology cannot be used intrusively, nor

In addition, our method has been designed to require user consent in order to function. This requirement ensures the technology cannot be used intrusively, nor deliver sound to an unwilling audience. Golly I hope so.

AstralStorm 7y ago
Reading between the lines, is by removing a trivial module you can use it without anyone's consent.
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  That means this trivial module will have to be refactored into a legal construct.
- adrianN 7y ago
  This is a legal problem, not a technological problem.
  - SeriousM 7y ago
    This will come if you like it or not - like billboards you have to look at... Just a matter of time. I guess 3-4 years from now on
    - penagwin 7y ago
      As somebody with auditory sensitivity I hope not :(
  - swebs 7y ago
    Ad companies are very good at getting around the legal issue of consent. Just visit any online news site from a European IP address to see the nonsense they pull to get around GDPR. They just keep harassing you with pop-ups until you click the big green button labeled "Got it, thanks". Knowing that, I predict JCDecaux will have devices covering every inch of downtown that will beam high pitched ringing at anyone that passes by. The only way to stop it would be to press a button on their device that says "Stop the ringing". According to European law, this is good enough to count as "consent".
    - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
      That doesn't sound GDPR compliant.
      - pluma 7y ago
        It isn't. Most users aren't aware it isn't and blame the GDPR for worse user experience. Those that are aware are generally too lazy to report them.
  - mbrumlow 7y ago
    I am not even sure it is a legal problem. How can the prohibit the creation of similar devices and limit their use? In any case the approach is new, but we have had targeted audio for some time. Another method used in the past was done by two hyper sonic waves that when combined would reconstitute into a lower frequency. I forget all the details but it it nearly placed the sound in your head.
    - debatem1 7y ago
      The same way they do a bajillion other products? You make it illegal, then you fine anyone who flouts the rule or throw them in jail.
      - mbrumlow 7y ago
        What I am pointing out that the article talked about how they did something special to make it require consent. I don't think they have any legal grounds for preventing the use of, or could they alone pass a law. I think you would have a hard time making this illegal in the US, as I am sure somebody will tie it to freedom of speech. If a bull horn is legal, then this for sure would also be legal. It wold also be a legal quagmire depending on how the law would be worded. "Use of directional sound is prohibited."? Simply aiming my mouth at you is doing the same. There are also more than one way to achieve directional sound. I think it was at Fry's -- in their checkout line, they have highly directional speakers that aim down and talk to you, move a few feet either way and you no longer can hear a thing.
        debatem1 7y ago
        Public nuisance laws already on the books would likely do the trick. To use your example, it is already perfectly legal to own a bullhorn and even to carry it around downtown, but if I start setting it off outside a restaurant I'm going for a stay with the police pretty quickly. Those laws are for sure not without theoretical constitutional issues, but in practice work well enough to keep the lid on.
        7y ago

AstralStorm 7y ago

Reading between the lines, is by removing a trivial module you can use it without anyone's consent.

TeMPOraL 7y ago
That means this trivial module will have to be refactored into a legal construct.
adrianN 7y ago
This is a legal problem, not a technological problem.
- SeriousM 7y ago
  This will come if you like it or not - like billboards you have to look at... Just a matter of time. I guess 3-4 years from now on
  - penagwin 7y ago
    As somebody with auditory sensitivity I hope not :(
- swebs 7y ago
  Ad companies are very good at getting around the legal issue of consent. Just visit any online news site from a European IP address to see the nonsense they pull to get around GDPR. They just keep harassing you with pop-ups until you click the big green button labeled "Got it, thanks". Knowing that, I predict JCDecaux will have devices covering every inch of downtown that will beam high pitched ringing at anyone that passes by. The only way to stop it would be to press a button on their device that says "Stop the ringing". According to European law, this is good enough to count as "consent".
  - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
    That doesn't sound GDPR compliant.
    - pluma 7y ago
      It isn't. Most users aren't aware it isn't and blame the GDPR for worse user experience. Those that are aware are generally too lazy to report them.
- mbrumlow 7y ago
  I am not even sure it is a legal problem. How can the prohibit the creation of similar devices and limit their use? In any case the approach is new, but we have had targeted audio for some time. Another method used in the past was done by two hyper sonic waves that when combined would reconstitute into a lower frequency. I forget all the details but it it nearly placed the sound in your head.
  - debatem1 7y ago
    The same way they do a bajillion other products? You make it illegal, then you fine anyone who flouts the rule or throw them in jail.
    - mbrumlow 7y ago
      What I am pointing out that the article talked about how they did something special to make it require consent. I don't think they have any legal grounds for preventing the use of, or could they alone pass a law. I think you would have a hard time making this illegal in the US, as I am sure somebody will tie it to freedom of speech. If a bull horn is legal, then this for sure would also be legal. It wold also be a legal quagmire depending on how the law would be worded. "Use of directional sound is prohibited."? Simply aiming my mouth at you is doing the same. There are also more than one way to achieve directional sound. I think it was at Fry's -- in their checkout line, they have highly directional speakers that aim down and talk to you, move a few feet either way and you no longer can hear a thing.
      - debatem1 7y ago
        Public nuisance laws already on the books would likely do the trick. To use your example, it is already perfectly legal to own a bullhorn and even to carry it around downtown, but if I start setting it off outside a restaurant I'm going for a stay with the police pretty quickly. Those laws are for sure not without theoretical constitutional issues, but in practice work well enough to keep the lid on.
        7y ago