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Musk badly wants for you to not realize that nobody is proposing LIDAR-only, but are rather proposing LIDAR+optical+radar. Musk argues against straw men. (Als

Musk badly wants for you to not realize that nobody is proposing LIDAR-only, but are rather proposing LIDAR+optical+radar. Musk argues against straw men. (Also the radar Telsa is using has jack-shit for angular resolution. It can't tell the difference between a tree next to the road and a fire truck parked right across it. Consequently that radar has very limited utility.)

kjksf 7y ago
More accurately, Musk doesn't care what others think is needed for self-driving, so your aspersions about Musk badly wanting us to think one way or another are not supported by facts. Neither Tesla nor Musk make a big deal of lack of lidar. The only reason his views on the subject are public (and so hotly discussed) is because during Autonomy Investor Day he was asked by an investor why Tesla doesn't use a lidar. So he answered the question. You might not agree with his reasoning but he's not on some "NO LIDAR" publicity tour, trying to change your mind. Here's the source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucp0TTmvqOE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucp0TTmvqOE Watch the whole thing. The first time Musk mentions lack of lidar is after being asked.
- new_realist 7y ago
  He should care what experts think. Whenever someone probes Musk in their own area of expertise, they find his knowledge is that of a stubborn, overconfident dilettante.
  - vinceguidry 7y ago
    I think any expert is going to be able to outshine Musk in their area of expertise, but where Musk is great is in seeing the bigger picture. Musk simply doesn't have the time to become an expert in everything, he has to execute now.
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- liability 7y ago
  > "More accurately, Musk doesn't care what others think is needed for self-driving" That's obviously wrong. Musk is deeply invested in the matter, particularly the public's perception of the matter. He is currently promoting his 'solution', which has not yet proven itself, as being hardware complete and is selling it to consumers right now. Public perception is his priority and he shit-talks LIDAR whenever he feels doing so is necessary to defend the public perception of the product he's trying to sell.

kjksf 7y ago

More accurately, Musk doesn't care what others think is needed for self-driving, so your aspersions about Musk badly wanting us to think one way or another are not supported by facts. Neither Tesla nor Musk make a big deal of lack of lidar. The only reason his views on the subject are public (and so hotly discussed) is because during Autonomy Investor Day he was asked by an investor why Tesla doesn't use a lidar. So he answered the question. You might not agree with his reasoning but he's not on some "NO LIDAR" publicity tour, trying to change your mind. Here's the source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucp0TTmvqOE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucp0TTmvqOE Watch the whole thing. The first time Musk mentions lack of lidar is after being asked.

new_realist 7y ago
He should care what experts think. Whenever someone probes Musk in their own area of expertise, they find his knowledge is that of a stubborn, overconfident dilettante.
- vinceguidry 7y ago
  I think any expert is going to be able to outshine Musk in their area of expertise, but where Musk is great is in seeing the bigger picture. Musk simply doesn't have the time to become an expert in everything, he has to execute now.
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liability 7y ago
> "More accurately, Musk doesn't care what others think is needed for self-driving" That's obviously wrong. Musk is deeply invested in the matter, particularly the public's perception of the matter. He is currently promoting his 'solution', which has not yet proven itself, as being hardware complete and is selling it to consumers right now. Public perception is his priority and he shit-talks LIDAR whenever he feels doing so is necessary to defend the public perception of the product he's trying to sell.