7 ms·

How are they training the hackers? Are they being educated abroad, or are they hiring foreign hackers? For a country living in the dark ages, how are they manag

How are they training the hackers? Are they being educated abroad, or are they hiring foreign hackers? For a country living in the dark ages, how are they managing to pull this off?

kyruzic 7y ago
They aren't living in the dark ages. You and American media are just making that up.
- ALittleLight 7y ago
  https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2014/02/25/08/v4-North-Korea-at-night.jpg?w968h681 https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/imag...
  - kyruzic 7y ago
    Youre own picture is proving yourself wrong. There is clearly lights in north Korea. Do you understand Korean geography? The majority of the peninsula is mountaineous jungle. Of course there is plenty of areas that don't have lights. I never said it was a futuristic paradise or comparable to south Korea. But saying it is living in the dark ages is just a flat out lie. They have lights, computers, televisions, radios and many other of the modern amenities of the first world. Yes they may all be pyeongyang but that does not mean the country is living in the dark ages.
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
FDSGSG 7y ago
> are they hiring foreign hackers? Probably, but they wouldn't need more than one or two. E: Actually, I should just refer to this awfully specific grugq take https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/997114164131737600 https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/997114164131737600
- tyingq 7y ago
  Agree with this in order of magnitude at least. Even if it's 10 and not 1 or 2, the costs are relatively low. They have drug and other money. Hire for aptitude, train the trainer. Everyone else is shackled by plausible deniability. DPRK gives zero f*cks. Best candidates, best training, whatever equipment, training, and info you want, and go...no bars held. It's all about removing constraints.
  - FDSGSG 7y ago
    There are more than a few efnet characters on the run with the right skillset ,I'd be really surprised if a few of them didn't get picked up by NK or similar states.
    - tyingq 7y ago
      You get me :) Check my post history (not short) for skeptics. I feel something here. I'm not cocky, just old with a relatively varied history.
      - FDSGSG 7y ago
        I can think of at least a couple of people that "retired" with far too little stolen money in exactly the kind of places where you'd get recruited from by NK & Co. Nobody ever discusses this publicly, but I feel like everyone that's been around for a bit knows. Many of those names you find in old phrack zines. Frankly, every day I'm surprised none of those old names come up in new indictments. Who's getting pardoned if Beto manages to get elected? lol.
  - mkl 7y ago
    > no bars held Off topic, but it's "no holds barred". From wrestling: no holds (moves) barred (banned), i.e. anything goes.
    - tyingq 7y ago
      It's a sort of silly inverse meme thing. So a little "whoosh", but thanks for noticing.
sct202 7y ago
NK has a habit of abducting people with skills they want.
__john 7y ago
Would the Chinese government send it's "LulzSec" types to cyber work farms in NK? Or is something else more plausible?
A2017U1 7y ago
Pay brokers for zero day exploits. Have a small team of highly paid well off young people with little incentive to take a "moral" stance. Profit. Also consider that perhaps they aren't living in the "dark ages" while right on the doorstep of one of the most technologically advanced nations on Earth? These events are happening 200km away from Seoul.
- sharadov 7y ago
  That's exactly what I was thinking, is the Chinese government helping?
malloryerik 7y ago
The regime has at least six thousand full-time hackers. Some of those they send overseas to operate. The average North Korean doesn't get exposed to that much tech, but it's another story for specialists, and most of the things they need to learn can be found online. Of course learning materials will be curated and filtered by the most politically trustworthy who themselves will be under constant and multidimensional surveillance. There are abundant sources online. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/15/world/asia/north-korea-hacking-cyber-sony.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/15/world/asia/north-korea-ha...

How are they training the hackers? Are they being educated abroad, or are they hiring foreign hackers? For a country living in the dark ages, how are they managing to pull this off?

kyruzic 7y ago

They aren't living in the dark ages. You and American media are just making that up.

ALittleLight 7y ago
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2014/02/25/08/v4-North-Korea-at-night.jpg?w968h681 https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/imag...
- kyruzic 7y ago
  Youre own picture is proving yourself wrong. There is clearly lights in north Korea. Do you understand Korean geography? The majority of the peninsula is mountaineous jungle. Of course there is plenty of areas that don't have lights. I never said it was a futuristic paradise or comparable to south Korea. But saying it is living in the dark ages is just a flat out lie. They have lights, computers, televisions, radios and many other of the modern amenities of the first world. Yes they may all be pyeongyang but that does not mean the country is living in the dark ages.

deleted 7y ago

[deleted]

FDSGSG 7y ago

> are they hiring foreign hackers? Probably, but they wouldn't need more than one or two. E: Actually, I should just refer to this awfully specific grugq take https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/997114164131737600 https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/997114164131737600

tyingq 7y ago
Agree with this in order of magnitude at least. Even if it's 10 and not 1 or 2, the costs are relatively low. They have drug and other money. Hire for aptitude, train the trainer. Everyone else is shackled by plausible deniability. DPRK gives zero f*cks. Best candidates, best training, whatever equipment, training, and info you want, and go...no bars held. It's all about removing constraints.
- FDSGSG 7y ago
  There are more than a few efnet characters on the run with the right skillset ,I'd be really surprised if a few of them didn't get picked up by NK or similar states.
  - tyingq 7y ago
    You get me :) Check my post history (not short) for skeptics. I feel something here. I'm not cocky, just old with a relatively varied history.
    - FDSGSG 7y ago
      I can think of at least a couple of people that "retired" with far too little stolen money in exactly the kind of places where you'd get recruited from by NK & Co. Nobody ever discusses this publicly, but I feel like everyone that's been around for a bit knows. Many of those names you find in old phrack zines. Frankly, every day I'm surprised none of those old names come up in new indictments. Who's getting pardoned if Beto manages to get elected? lol.
- mkl 7y ago
  > no bars held Off topic, but it's "no holds barred". From wrestling: no holds (moves) barred (banned), i.e. anything goes.
  - tyingq 7y ago
    It's a sort of silly inverse meme thing. So a little "whoosh", but thanks for noticing.

sct202 7y ago

NK has a habit of abducting people with skills they want.

__john 7y ago

Would the Chinese government send it's "LulzSec" types to cyber work farms in NK? Or is something else more plausible?

A2017U1 7y ago

Pay brokers for zero day exploits. Have a small team of highly paid well off young people with little incentive to take a "moral" stance. Profit. Also consider that perhaps they aren't living in the "dark ages" while right on the doorstep of one of the most technologically advanced nations on Earth? These events are happening 200km away from Seoul.

sharadov 7y ago
That's exactly what I was thinking, is the Chinese government helping?

malloryerik 7y ago

The regime has at least six thousand full-time hackers. Some of those they send overseas to operate. The average North Korean doesn't get exposed to that much tech, but it's another story for specialists, and most of the things they need to learn can be found online. Of course learning materials will be curated and filtered by the most politically trustworthy who themselves will be under constant and multidimensional surveillance. There are abundant sources online. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/15/world/asia/north-korea-hacking-cyber-sony.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/15/world/asia/north-korea-ha...