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Haha! Made me laugh. From the top of my head: 1. FaceId 2. App Store that actually works for customers not against them. 3. Privacy respecting web browsers 4. i

Haha! Made me laugh. From the top of my head: 1. FaceId 2. App Store that actually works for customers not against them. 3. Privacy respecting web browsers 4. iPhone - literally 5. iPad 6. iPod

Legogris 7y ago
Predecessors: 1. Windows Hello 2. Steam 3. Really..? How is Safari more innovative than Tor Browser? You can't argue that Safari was more privacy-respecting than Mozilla pre-Tor. 4. Windows Phones (I had one, it was more capable and powerful in any way compared to the first iPhone) 5. Windows tablets 6. There were tons of MP3/media players of different varieties before the iPod - what makes it so innovative. The only example I can really come up with is the TouchBar. Even that had predecessors of different types, but they definitely did something new there. Users love it, I heard.
- distdev89 7y ago
  1. Windows Hello Isn't this just launched, with the feature set nowhere near the idea of securing payments? 2. Steam AppStore has far more features and way more full featured. From Apps, Games, subscription models, app quality reviews. Also works on mobile. 3. Really..? How is Safari more innovative than Tor Browser? You can't argue that Safari was more privacy-respecting than Mozilla pre-Tor. The right defaults. It takes a lot of innovation to come up with the set of defaults that are actually secure and protect you. If one thinks they're secure using the Tor browser, they have another thing coming. 4. Windows Phones (I had one, it was more capable and powerful in any way compared to the first iPhone) Haha! Ubuntu is better Desktop OS than Mac and Windows. 5. Windows tablets You're kidding right? 6. There were tons of MP3/media players of different varieties before the iPod - what makes it so innovative. Look at my other reply.
  - Legogris 7y ago
    > Isn't this just launched, with the feature set nowhere near the idea of securing payments? Windows Hello: 2016. FaceID: 2017. And yes, Windows Hello could be used for payments before FaceID: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/01/12/windows-hello-supports-growing-variety-secured-companion-devices/ https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/01/12/windo... You seem to have missed the point of the comment you replied to: > Apple's rarely ever first to the table with any technology. They take what others are doing on a limited scale and ramp it up to the mainstream with a spit-shine. No one's arguing it's necessary or even desirable to do technological innovation to be successful or market tech products to the masses. New "things" generally need a generation or three until ready for that. Taking existing facial recognition tech used for authentication in one domain (OS login) and applying it to a new domain (payments) is not innovation in my book. It's just the natural next step.
Sohcahtoa82 7y ago
Apple didn't invent any of those. They took existing technology and gave it a lot of polish. FaceId: Facial recognition and the ability to unlock your phone with just your face existed on Android before iPhone. App store that actually works for customers not against them: I've never had problems with Google's Store, or Steam, or any other digital store. Privacy respecting web browser: Uh...Firefox? iPhone/iPad/iPod: Apple did not invent the slate form-factor every phone uses today, and they certainly didn't invent the idea of a tablet computer. Simply put, Apple isn't a tech company. They're a fashion company that makes technology fashionable. They're kings of UX and marketing, for sure, but innovators? Definitely not.
- distdev89 7y ago
  Lets all hate together? Apple did not invent the slate form-factor every phone uses today Ever seen a blackberry in the last 10 years? A phone with a keyboard? A phone with a dialpad? Literally hand held computing is divided between Before iPhone and After iPhone. Google Store? You mean the store where they allow anyone to host malware? Just "google" the number of apps that have malware on the Google Store. Face ID on Android? over 2 years since FaceId but Android still can't enable you to do payments using Face Recognition because they don't have confidence in their camera system. Safari was doing anti-web tracking way before Firefox was relevant again. Lets not even talk about mobile Firefox. Literally the iPod changed the music industry. Hold on think about this, a single device changed how people heard, distributed and discovered music. If that's not an invention I'm not sure what is. To be fair, I also think Apple hires some of the most creative marketing and UX folks.
  - Legogris 7y ago
    > Lets all hate together? I'm not sure why you assume negativity here? I have been a happy owner and user of several Apple products throughout the years and I think that from a business perspective they have been really nailing down market timing, one of the hardest things to get right with new products. If you're really doubling down on this angle, then I guess we're all doing innovation in some sense as long as we're adding anything new. Is Tinder also an innovation because of its success?
ghc 7y ago
All great examples of Apple taking others' innovations, polishing obsessively to appeal to a broader market. Iteration is much more valuable than innovation when it comes to sales.
- distdev89 7y ago
  How do you think of innovation? Has there been any innovation in chairs since the first chair was made? Since, all new chairs are just chairs? Think about it.
  - ghc 7y ago
    You're referring to invention, not innovation. From Webster: > Innovation, for its part, can refer to something new or to a change made to an existing product, idea, or field. One might say that the first telephone was an invention, the first cellular telephone either an invention or an innovation, and the first smartphone an innovation. The iPhone wasn't even the first touchscreen smartphone or the best smartphone of its time. But it was the first Apple smartphone. I remember people showing off "how cool" it was. Brand and product design are way, way more important to success than innovation is.

Haha! Made me laugh. From the top of my head: 1. FaceId 2. App Store that actually works for customers not against them. 3. Privacy respecting web browsers 4. iPhone - literally 5. iPad 6. iPod

Legogris 7y ago

Predecessors: 1. Windows Hello 2. Steam 3. Really..? How is Safari more innovative than Tor Browser? You can't argue that Safari was more privacy-respecting than Mozilla pre-Tor. 4. Windows Phones (I had one, it was more capable and powerful in any way compared to the first iPhone) 5. Windows tablets 6. There were tons of MP3/media players of different varieties before the iPod - what makes it so innovative. The only example I can really come up with is the TouchBar. Even that had predecessors of different types, but they definitely did something new there. Users love it, I heard.

distdev89 7y ago
1. Windows Hello Isn't this just launched, with the feature set nowhere near the idea of securing payments? 2. Steam AppStore has far more features and way more full featured. From Apps, Games, subscription models, app quality reviews. Also works on mobile. 3. Really..? How is Safari more innovative than Tor Browser? You can't argue that Safari was more privacy-respecting than Mozilla pre-Tor. The right defaults. It takes a lot of innovation to come up with the set of defaults that are actually secure and protect you. If one thinks they're secure using the Tor browser, they have another thing coming. 4. Windows Phones (I had one, it was more capable and powerful in any way compared to the first iPhone) Haha! Ubuntu is better Desktop OS than Mac and Windows. 5. Windows tablets You're kidding right? 6. There were tons of MP3/media players of different varieties before the iPod - what makes it so innovative. Look at my other reply.
- Legogris 7y ago
  > Isn't this just launched, with the feature set nowhere near the idea of securing payments? Windows Hello: 2016. FaceID: 2017. And yes, Windows Hello could be used for payments before FaceID: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/01/12/windows-hello-supports-growing-variety-secured-companion-devices/ https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/01/12/windo... You seem to have missed the point of the comment you replied to: > Apple's rarely ever first to the table with any technology. They take what others are doing on a limited scale and ramp it up to the mainstream with a spit-shine. No one's arguing it's necessary or even desirable to do technological innovation to be successful or market tech products to the masses. New "things" generally need a generation or three until ready for that. Taking existing facial recognition tech used for authentication in one domain (OS login) and applying it to a new domain (payments) is not innovation in my book. It's just the natural next step.

Sohcahtoa82 7y ago

Apple didn't invent any of those. They took existing technology and gave it a lot of polish. FaceId: Facial recognition and the ability to unlock your phone with just your face existed on Android before iPhone. App store that actually works for customers not against them: I've never had problems with Google's Store, or Steam, or any other digital store. Privacy respecting web browser: Uh...Firefox? iPhone/iPad/iPod: Apple did not invent the slate form-factor every phone uses today, and they certainly didn't invent the idea of a tablet computer. Simply put, Apple isn't a tech company. They're a fashion company that makes technology fashionable. They're kings of UX and marketing, for sure, but innovators? Definitely not.

distdev89 7y ago
Lets all hate together? Apple did not invent the slate form-factor every phone uses today Ever seen a blackberry in the last 10 years? A phone with a keyboard? A phone with a dialpad? Literally hand held computing is divided between Before iPhone and After iPhone. Google Store? You mean the store where they allow anyone to host malware? Just "google" the number of apps that have malware on the Google Store. Face ID on Android? over 2 years since FaceId but Android still can't enable you to do payments using Face Recognition because they don't have confidence in their camera system. Safari was doing anti-web tracking way before Firefox was relevant again. Lets not even talk about mobile Firefox. Literally the iPod changed the music industry. Hold on think about this, a single device changed how people heard, distributed and discovered music. If that's not an invention I'm not sure what is. To be fair, I also think Apple hires some of the most creative marketing and UX folks.
- Legogris 7y ago
  > Lets all hate together? I'm not sure why you assume negativity here? I have been a happy owner and user of several Apple products throughout the years and I think that from a business perspective they have been really nailing down market timing, one of the hardest things to get right with new products. If you're really doubling down on this angle, then I guess we're all doing innovation in some sense as long as we're adding anything new. Is Tinder also an innovation because of its success?

ghc 7y ago

All great examples of Apple taking others' innovations, polishing obsessively to appeal to a broader market. Iteration is much more valuable than innovation when it comes to sales.

distdev89 7y ago
How do you think of innovation? Has there been any innovation in chairs since the first chair was made? Since, all new chairs are just chairs? Think about it.
- ghc 7y ago
  You're referring to invention, not innovation. From Webster: > Innovation, for its part, can refer to something new or to a change made to an existing product, idea, or field. One might say that the first telephone was an invention, the first cellular telephone either an invention or an innovation, and the first smartphone an innovation. The iPhone wasn't even the first touchscreen smartphone or the best smartphone of its time. But it was the first Apple smartphone. I remember people showing off "how cool" it was. Brand and product design are way, way more important to success than innovation is.