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> it's only sensible to your satisfaction and to the satisfaction of those who share the same right-wing values, but without hearing the argument of why this is

by wtdata 7y ago

> it's only sensible to your satisfaction and to the satisfaction of those who share the same right-wing values, but without hearing the argument of why this is a sensible policy i can assure you that it carries not the slightest conviction to the people of the left. And since we all live in open, participative democracies here in the EU, you are absolutely free to elect left wing parties that defend your views, while the other people are free to elect right wing parties thet defend theirs. In the end, the position assumed in the EU, will be determined by the outcome of that democratic process. What you are not entitled to do of course, is to impose the views of the minority of the population uppon the majority with the argument that the minority holds the "morally correct view".

despera 7y ago
Of course, i don't have any illusions about how democratic EU is, we just saw it how democratically EC president elected (through a closed auction). Anyway, i'm mostly referring to the people of the left when i'm saying that they have nothing to gain out of this reactionary silence about the massive human rights violations in EU. It's obvious that the parties chose by the majority are drowning people in Mediterranean sea.
- wtdata 7y ago
  > Of course, i don't have any illusions about how democratic EU is, we just saw it how democratically EC president elected (through a closed auction). The EC is elected by a voting by your elected representatives in the European Parliament. In a representative democracy (which is basically how it works every democratic nation in the planet) you are not supposed to vote for every decision taken, you vote for a representative and those representatives then pass resolutions observing a majority. This is why it is called a "representative democracy". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy > reactionary silence about the massive human rights violations in EU Well, that the EU is engaging in a "massive human rights violations" is clearly a position held by the reactionary left, that is not shared by the majority of the population.
  - despera 7y ago
    What can i tell you, back to EU elections i'm pretty sure i watched a debate on TV with a bunch of politicians arguing why each one of them must be the new EC president. Somehow no one of those people turned to be the president. Do you by any chance have any wikipedia link explaining that? https://youtu.be/He1srJG18T4 https://youtu.be/He1srJG18T4
    - thefounder 7y ago
      That was quite a bad move indeed. I personally watched the debates as well and was quite disappointed to see a totally different "winner". Still the solution was a compromise and this is what really defines the EU. I'm not sure how much the televised campaign mattered as the head of EC was voted by the European Parliament not by people back home but yeah more transparency would be welcome. Now let's review another twist of democracy. How is that a "remainer"(May) become the person to deliver the victory of the "leave" campaign? There wasn't much televised campaign either if I recall correctly. Would a direct election of the EC make EU more democratic? Should the UK elect the PM that way as well? Not many voted for Boris either, right?

by wtdata 7y ago

despera 7y ago

Of course, i don't have any illusions about how democratic EU is, we just saw it how democratically EC president elected (through a closed auction). Anyway, i'm mostly referring to the people of the left when i'm saying that they have nothing to gain out of this reactionary silence about the massive human rights violations in EU. It's obvious that the parties chose by the majority are drowning people in Mediterranean sea.

wtdata 7y ago
> Of course, i don't have any illusions about how democratic EU is, we just saw it how democratically EC president elected (through a closed auction). The EC is elected by a voting by your elected representatives in the European Parliament. In a representative democracy (which is basically how it works every democratic nation in the planet) you are not supposed to vote for every decision taken, you vote for a representative and those representatives then pass resolutions observing a majority. This is why it is called a "representative democracy". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy > reactionary silence about the massive human rights violations in EU Well, that the EU is engaging in a "massive human rights violations" is clearly a position held by the reactionary left, that is not shared by the majority of the population.
- despera 7y ago
  What can i tell you, back to EU elections i'm pretty sure i watched a debate on TV with a bunch of politicians arguing why each one of them must be the new EC president. Somehow no one of those people turned to be the president. Do you by any chance have any wikipedia link explaining that? https://youtu.be/He1srJG18T4 https://youtu.be/He1srJG18T4
  - thefounder 7y ago
    That was quite a bad move indeed. I personally watched the debates as well and was quite disappointed to see a totally different "winner". Still the solution was a compromise and this is what really defines the EU. I'm not sure how much the televised campaign mattered as the head of EC was voted by the European Parliament not by people back home but yeah more transparency would be welcome. Now let's review another twist of democracy. How is that a "remainer"(May) become the person to deliver the victory of the "leave" campaign? There wasn't much televised campaign either if I recall correctly. Would a direct election of the EC make EU more democratic? Should the UK elect the PM that way as well? Not many voted for Boris either, right?