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I don't want to live in a world where groups openly advocating for their followers to commit hate crimes and mass murder are viewed as something less than "evil

I don't want to live in a world where groups openly advocating for their followers to commit hate crimes and mass murder are viewed as something less than "evil".

ralusek 7y ago
What are group boundaries? Is Islam a group? Do you grant all groups the same leniency you grant Islam in regards to your demonization of the whole by association with the worst components? Are #KillAllMen or #EatTheRich advocating mass murder? The Ohio shooter was a radical leftist advocating socialism, to what extent does their evil require the leftist agenda to be considered responsible?
- sithadmin 7y ago
  Racism/Islamaphobia aside, all you're doing here is engaging in whataboutism. There are certain forums (e.g. child boards on 8ch) wherein groups of people openly advocate for the commission of hate crimes and murder. Most civilized persons would regard this sort of behavior as a manifestation of evil, and no private person or organization should be obligated to facilitate this behavior.
  - ralusek 7y ago
    "Whataboutism" is a vacuous defense. It can be used any time an example is brought up to try to illustrate inconsistent application of rationality. Secondly, please illustrate to me the precise statement I made that was remotely racist or Islamophobic. Personally, I consider the accusation of racism with no evidence of such a claim to be a near perfect expression of evil. While I may think that you're an absolutely detestable person for doing so, I'm not advocating that this site be taken down for your presence here. In regards to private people or organizations being obligated to facilitate any behavior, you won't hear me making that argument. The argument I'm making is that I think it's an enormous problem that very important mechanisms in society are being targeted by a group of people who are completely irresponsible with their application of claims to objective morality (as you've perfectly demonstrated above), in various attempts to remove access to those mechanisms from the people they don't agree with.
    - burgerboy 7y ago
      You're right dude. This shit has virtue signaling written all over it.

I don't want to live in a world where groups openly advocating for their followers to commit hate crimes and mass murder are viewed as something less than "evil".

ralusek 7y ago

What are group boundaries? Is Islam a group? Do you grant all groups the same leniency you grant Islam in regards to your demonization of the whole by association with the worst components? Are #KillAllMen or #EatTheRich advocating mass murder? The Ohio shooter was a radical leftist advocating socialism, to what extent does their evil require the leftist agenda to be considered responsible?

sithadmin 7y ago
Racism/Islamaphobia aside, all you're doing here is engaging in whataboutism. There are certain forums (e.g. child boards on 8ch) wherein groups of people openly advocate for the commission of hate crimes and murder. Most civilized persons would regard this sort of behavior as a manifestation of evil, and no private person or organization should be obligated to facilitate this behavior.
- ralusek 7y ago
  "Whataboutism" is a vacuous defense. It can be used any time an example is brought up to try to illustrate inconsistent application of rationality. Secondly, please illustrate to me the precise statement I made that was remotely racist or Islamophobic. Personally, I consider the accusation of racism with no evidence of such a claim to be a near perfect expression of evil. While I may think that you're an absolutely detestable person for doing so, I'm not advocating that this site be taken down for your presence here. In regards to private people or organizations being obligated to facilitate any behavior, you won't hear me making that argument. The argument I'm making is that I think it's an enormous problem that very important mechanisms in society are being targeted by a group of people who are completely irresponsible with their application of claims to objective morality (as you've perfectly demonstrated above), in various attempts to remove access to those mechanisms from the people they don't agree with.
  - burgerboy 7y ago
    You're right dude. This shit has virtue signaling written all over it.