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EU and each european country are responsible for the deaths of thousands refugees and migrants in Mediterranean sea and many more rot in concentration camps. T

EU and each european country are responsible for the deaths of thousands refugees and migrants in Mediterranean sea and many more rot in concentration camps. The EU has financed walls (yes the same EU that makes fun of Trump) like the one at Evros river at greek-turkish borders, a place that could be used as a safe passage, away from risky sea smuggling. While supposedly it's illegal to return migrants back to countries that could risk their life, still the EU made a deal with Turkey to do exactly that. Same wise they paying the Libya to keep refugees and migrants in awful concentration camps away from the EU, yes the same Libya that is under civil war is considered by EU a safe country. In fact a few days ago such a concentration camp was bombed and many lost their lives. EU's Frontex and local forces keep pushing back the boats with refugees, something that's totally and universally illegal. It is high time to stop this immunity that EU enjoys to the public talk, childhood's end has arrived long ago for that particular organization.

thefounder 7y ago
These migrants have to stay somewhere(in a EU country), be fed and taken care of for a long time. Is you or your country willing to do that? It seems that Frontex does a good job at stopping shaky boats taking dangerous journeys, thus less people die so I'm not sure why this bothers you. Securing the border seems a sensible thing to do especially after the terrorist attacks, however as far as I'm aware once the people reach the border they are treated humanly(i.e not put in cages, separated from children etc). People who come here for economic benefits should be returned(unless they have skills that can bring a positive contribution). Everyone is responsible for its own life especially when the risk is known.
- despera 7y ago
  I think i was pretty clear right from the beginning. "EU and each european country" As for the rest of it how sensible closed borders policies are i will rephrase old Smullyan, it's only sensible to your satisfaction and to the satisfaction of those who share the same right-wing values, but without hearing the argument of why this is a sensible policy i can assure you that it carries not the slightest conviction to the people of the left. Open borders and free, safe passage.
  - thefounder 7y ago
    >> open borders, safe passage Safe passage to where? Bringing people in is the easy thing to do, taking care of them and keeping the same standards of living for the "natives" is not so easy. I'm all on board welcoming as many people as possible as long as there is a plan for them once they get here. Nobody provided a such plan. We've seen what happens with open borders: countries that welcomed massive numbers of migrants found themselves unable to coup and started looking at their neighbours to distribute them. Good plan, right? That's what I call "responsibility". >> i can assure you that it carries not the slightest conviction to the people of the left. Yeah sure, until their benefits are hit or when they see migrants doing better than them in their own country. Tell that to the people who voted Brexit and UKIP and keep in mind they voted against "european migrants" who made a net positive contribution to the economy. My point is that people change their stance on "open borders" when the reality hits(i.e they no longer get access to benefits, get mugged by a migrant, loose their low skilled job to a cheaper migrant etc).
    - despera 7y ago
      Uhm, those countries that got "some" amount of migrants which wasn't massive (only Jordan has more than 600k refugees) and certainly they weren't welcomed despite the rhetoric by EU (i mean they are welcome AFTER they survived and weren't drowned?), they NEVER tried to integrate migrants and refugees. At the entry countries most of them simply thrown in concentration camps financed by EU, later on they were getting returned back to Turkey, Libya etc. Now of course there was a plan about distributing some migrants BUT let me remind you that those quota NEVER achieved, most european countries never received the amount of refugees they were "obligated" to. The distribution plan wasn't because refugees gathered for example here in Greece and they wanted to stay here, not at all, most of them wanted to leave the country. It was only a passage for them to other countries. Many people had family waiting for them. What happened? Walls were raised. Borders were closed and Greece almost kicked out of schengen (informally it was suspended). Obviously the government was forced to accept the EU plan about keeping the migrants in concentration camps and distribute some people around the europe (that again never really happened other than a small extend). Later on the EU-Turkey deal happened. Nowdays that xenophobic, anti-immigration feelings are in rise you can hear that plain and simple even by moderate politicians that when syrian war is over refugees are out of here. In other words, there never was an open borders and integration policy that failed. It is the same fascist policy by EU that getting people killed or rot in prison.

thefounder 7y ago

These migrants have to stay somewhere(in a EU country), be fed and taken care of for a long time. Is you or your country willing to do that? It seems that Frontex does a good job at stopping shaky boats taking dangerous journeys, thus less people die so I'm not sure why this bothers you. Securing the border seems a sensible thing to do especially after the terrorist attacks, however as far as I'm aware once the people reach the border they are treated humanly(i.e not put in cages, separated from children etc). People who come here for economic benefits should be returned(unless they have skills that can bring a positive contribution). Everyone is responsible for its own life especially when the risk is known.

despera 7y ago
I think i was pretty clear right from the beginning. "EU and each european country" As for the rest of it how sensible closed borders policies are i will rephrase old Smullyan, it's only sensible to your satisfaction and to the satisfaction of those who share the same right-wing values, but without hearing the argument of why this is a sensible policy i can assure you that it carries not the slightest conviction to the people of the left. Open borders and free, safe passage.
- thefounder 7y ago
  >> open borders, safe passage Safe passage to where? Bringing people in is the easy thing to do, taking care of them and keeping the same standards of living for the "natives" is not so easy. I'm all on board welcoming as many people as possible as long as there is a plan for them once they get here. Nobody provided a such plan. We've seen what happens with open borders: countries that welcomed massive numbers of migrants found themselves unable to coup and started looking at their neighbours to distribute them. Good plan, right? That's what I call "responsibility". >> i can assure you that it carries not the slightest conviction to the people of the left. Yeah sure, until their benefits are hit or when they see migrants doing better than them in their own country. Tell that to the people who voted Brexit and UKIP and keep in mind they voted against "european migrants" who made a net positive contribution to the economy. My point is that people change their stance on "open borders" when the reality hits(i.e they no longer get access to benefits, get mugged by a migrant, loose their low skilled job to a cheaper migrant etc).
  - despera 7y ago
    Uhm, those countries that got "some" amount of migrants which wasn't massive (only Jordan has more than 600k refugees) and certainly they weren't welcomed despite the rhetoric by EU (i mean they are welcome AFTER they survived and weren't drowned?), they NEVER tried to integrate migrants and refugees. At the entry countries most of them simply thrown in concentration camps financed by EU, later on they were getting returned back to Turkey, Libya etc. Now of course there was a plan about distributing some migrants BUT let me remind you that those quota NEVER achieved, most european countries never received the amount of refugees they were "obligated" to. The distribution plan wasn't because refugees gathered for example here in Greece and they wanted to stay here, not at all, most of them wanted to leave the country. It was only a passage for them to other countries. Many people had family waiting for them. What happened? Walls were raised. Borders were closed and Greece almost kicked out of schengen (informally it was suspended). Obviously the government was forced to accept the EU plan about keeping the migrants in concentration camps and distribute some people around the europe (that again never really happened other than a small extend). Later on the EU-Turkey deal happened. Nowdays that xenophobic, anti-immigration feelings are in rise you can hear that plain and simple even by moderate politicians that when syrian war is over refugees are out of here. In other words, there never was an open borders and integration policy that failed. It is the same fascist policy by EU that getting people killed or rot in prison.