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I see your point, but are there records to verify his claim? If not, what's the government going to do?

BuildTheRobots 7y ago
The worry would be them saying "we have evidence of your x-in-law stating you lied. Prove otherwise."
_jal 7y ago
Oh, I dunno, lock people up and/or deport them anyway? https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-citizens-ice-20180427-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-citizens-ice-20180...
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burkaman 7y ago
Whatever they want to do. There is zero penalty or downside for them to falsely imprison someone for months or years.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  Yeah, but nobody with at least half a brain is gonna try and prosecute old Vietnamese couple who lied on a form so they could escape communism and spend more years working. That would go against basically every "traditional American value" and even if they did (federal law enforcement does not have a reputation for being reasonable) it would just be a political time bomb until the story got out. Edit: I guess I was wrong and they are targeting these kinds of people.
  - antihero 7y ago
    I disagree, ICE are going absolutely crazy locking up people they even suspect of immigration discrepancies.
  - afthonos 7y ago
    Your level of trust in the US government is unfortunately vastly unwarranted. Hundreds if not thousands of children will never see their parents again as a result of the US government policies; this has been widely publicized. Do you think an elderly Vietnamese couple will move the needle?
    - tracker1 7y ago
      It's worth noting that a lot of children held separately were brought into the country not by relations. Beyond this a huge number of those children have been reunited. Note that this is separate from those children separated from parents that are being charged and prosecuted, much like any other crime. Also, most of these policies were started under Obama or previously. Personally, I think that illegal border crossings should be prosecuted. On the flip side, I also feel that work visas should be granted under a very few limitations centered around having a job and place to live lined up along with English proficiency and/or enrollment in an ESL program. This should be combined with requiring that a company with work visas employ no more than 25% of staff on work visas and that the average pay matches the company's average pay as a whole. Under those conditions the issue could mostly self-regulate in terms of the rate of immigration vs. a sustainable level.
      - wahern 7y ago
        > I also feel that work visas should be granted under a very few limitations The problem is that everybody and their Uncle has a detailed plan for a fairer immigration policy, but every plan is different and nobody is willing to compromise. So everybody gets to claim that they're the reasonable one while simultaneously persisting the patently unreasonable and inhumane status quo.
    - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
      Oh screw off with your assumptions about what I believe. I fully expect the government to burn kids alive then blame it on the parents if it fits their agenda. Deporting people who fled communism decades ago and lead productive lives (the "good kind" of immigrants by almost any metric) does not seem to further their agenda (it does the opposite by making them look bad, as far as I can tell) hence I assumed they would not be a concerted effort to do it. Edit: Yes I read the articles that another commentor posted in reply. You don't need to quote them at me.
  - jedmeyers 7y ago
    > old Vietnamese couple They are not old, they are only 55 according to the documents. /s
  - danenania 7y ago
    Sadly, one can find many stories of decent, well-liked, completely harmless people being harassed, detained, and/or deported based on the whims of immigration officials. This includes green card holders and even citizens. It’s horrifying, but that’s where we are currently as a country.
  - sangnoir 7y ago
    I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic, but this is something that was started 8 months ago[1][2][3] 1. https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/699177071/40-years-after-the-vietnam-war-some-refugees-face-deportation-under-trump https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/699177071/40-years-after-the-... 2. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trumps-plan-to-deport-vietnamese-refugees-betrays-a-sacred-american-principle/2019/01/02/6cd00c84-0eac-11e9-831f-3aa2c2be4cbd_story.html?noredirect=on https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trum... 3. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/12/donald-trump-deport-vietnam-war-refugees/577993/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/12/do...
  - burkaman 7y ago
    Yes, they will. The goal is to remove immigrants. There are no consequences for doing it improperly or failing to "uphold traditional values". https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20190730/florida-trucker-fights-to-keep-citizenship-in-immigration-case-in-jacksonville https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20190730/florida-trucker-f... Have you heard about this story? Do you think it's a political time bomb? What about this one? https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038...
  - mcphage 7y ago
    > That would go against basically every "traditional American value" Welcome to the Trump administration.
garmaine 7y ago
Yes, there is this post on HN. That's not snark--a relative willingly divulged that information in a public forum. That's sufficient evidence.
- jjeaff 7y ago
  They're going for the low hanging fruit. They aren't trolling random internet forums, getting subpoenas for ip addresses, then tracking down relatives.
  - garmaine 7y ago
    Except that they actually do. They're not as incompetent or as lazy as you think. Even if they didn't watch search engine results, all it takes is one deranged individual seeing this and making an anonymous tip.

The worry would be them saying "we have evidence of your x-in-law stating you lied. Prove otherwise."

_jal 7y ago

Oh, I dunno, lock people up and/or deport them anyway? https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-citizens-ice-20180427-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-citizens-ice-20180...

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burkaman 7y ago

Whatever they want to do. There is zero penalty or downside for them to falsely imprison someone for months or years.

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
Yeah, but nobody with at least half a brain is gonna try and prosecute old Vietnamese couple who lied on a form so they could escape communism and spend more years working. That would go against basically every "traditional American value" and even if they did (federal law enforcement does not have a reputation for being reasonable) it would just be a political time bomb until the story got out. Edit: I guess I was wrong and they are targeting these kinds of people.
- antihero 7y ago
  I disagree, ICE are going absolutely crazy locking up people they even suspect of immigration discrepancies.
- afthonos 7y ago
  Your level of trust in the US government is unfortunately vastly unwarranted. Hundreds if not thousands of children will never see their parents again as a result of the US government policies; this has been widely publicized. Do you think an elderly Vietnamese couple will move the needle?
  - tracker1 7y ago
    It's worth noting that a lot of children held separately were brought into the country not by relations. Beyond this a huge number of those children have been reunited. Note that this is separate from those children separated from parents that are being charged and prosecuted, much like any other crime. Also, most of these policies were started under Obama or previously. Personally, I think that illegal border crossings should be prosecuted. On the flip side, I also feel that work visas should be granted under a very few limitations centered around having a job and place to live lined up along with English proficiency and/or enrollment in an ESL program. This should be combined with requiring that a company with work visas employ no more than 25% of staff on work visas and that the average pay matches the company's average pay as a whole. Under those conditions the issue could mostly self-regulate in terms of the rate of immigration vs. a sustainable level.
    - wahern 7y ago
      > I also feel that work visas should be granted under a very few limitations The problem is that everybody and their Uncle has a detailed plan for a fairer immigration policy, but every plan is different and nobody is willing to compromise. So everybody gets to claim that they're the reasonable one while simultaneously persisting the patently unreasonable and inhumane status quo.
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    Oh screw off with your assumptions about what I believe. I fully expect the government to burn kids alive then blame it on the parents if it fits their agenda. Deporting people who fled communism decades ago and lead productive lives (the "good kind" of immigrants by almost any metric) does not seem to further their agenda (it does the opposite by making them look bad, as far as I can tell) hence I assumed they would not be a concerted effort to do it. Edit: Yes I read the articles that another commentor posted in reply. You don't need to quote them at me.
- jedmeyers 7y ago
  > old Vietnamese couple They are not old, they are only 55 according to the documents. /s
- danenania 7y ago
  Sadly, one can find many stories of decent, well-liked, completely harmless people being harassed, detained, and/or deported based on the whims of immigration officials. This includes green card holders and even citizens. It’s horrifying, but that’s where we are currently as a country.
- sangnoir 7y ago
  I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic, but this is something that was started 8 months ago[1][2][3] 1. https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/699177071/40-years-after-the-vietnam-war-some-refugees-face-deportation-under-trump https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/699177071/40-years-after-the-... 2. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trumps-plan-to-deport-vietnamese-refugees-betrays-a-sacred-american-principle/2019/01/02/6cd00c84-0eac-11e9-831f-3aa2c2be4cbd_story.html?noredirect=on https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trum... 3. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/12/donald-trump-deport-vietnam-war-refugees/577993/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/12/do...
- burkaman 7y ago
  Yes, they will. The goal is to remove immigrants. There are no consequences for doing it improperly or failing to "uphold traditional values". https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20190730/florida-trucker-fights-to-keep-citizenship-in-immigration-case-in-jacksonville https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20190730/florida-trucker-f... Have you heard about this story? Do you think it's a political time bomb? What about this one? https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038...
- mcphage 7y ago
  > That would go against basically every "traditional American value" Welcome to the Trump administration.

garmaine 7y ago

Yes, there is this post on HN. That's not snark--a relative willingly divulged that information in a public forum. That's sufficient evidence.

jjeaff 7y ago
They're going for the low hanging fruit. They aren't trolling random internet forums, getting subpoenas for ip addresses, then tracking down relatives.
- garmaine 7y ago
  Except that they actually do. They're not as incompetent or as lazy as you think. Even if they didn't watch search engine results, all it takes is one deranged individual seeing this and making an anonymous tip.