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> I mean, take one of the examples from the wikipedia article: Just because some people have a drug problem doesn't mean blue lights in a public bathroom to pr

by DanBC 7y ago

> I mean, take one of the examples from the wikipedia article: Just because some people have a drug problem doesn't mean blue lights in a public bathroom to prevent IV drug use there is a bad thing. Drug addicts by definition take drugs. Blue lights in toilets do not stop people taking drugs. They stop people taking drugs in that toilet. If we removed the blue light, and fitted sharps bins, people would take drugs in that toilet and not on the street, and they'd have a place to dispose of the needle. This would be better for everyone.

DoreenMichele 7y ago
I don't disagree with you, but most people won't be persuaded by this framing. I don't know if/how blue lights impact diabetic injections, since those apparently aren't injecting veins per se, but a more compelling argument for most people is that not all people using a syringe are engaging in illicit drug use. When we design hostile architecture, we design with a presumption of guilt and punish or problematically forbid a lot of innocent behavior as well. This is one of the better arguments if you wish to actually persuade people. https://www.healthline.com/health/diabetes/insulin-injection#how-to-inject https://www.healthline.com/health/diabetes/insulin-injection...
hn_throwaway_99 7y ago
First, I'm all in favor of having better access to drug treatment programs, things like needle exchange programs, and even in favor of giving addicts access to administration of their drugs in a safe setting. > If we removed the blue light, and fitted sharps bins, people would take drugs in that toilet and not on the street, and they'd have a place to dispose of the needle. This is laughable to me. To be in the frame of mind to need or want to shoot up in a public bathroom is not the same frame of mind to use a sharps bin to dispose of a needle.
- DanBC 7y ago
  > This is laughable to me. To be in the frame of mind to need or want to shoot up in a public bathroom is not the same frame of mind to use a sharps bin to dispose of a needle. If you provide sharps bins they tend to be used. They do this in Sydney, and there are maps available to show where the bins are.

by DanBC 7y ago

DoreenMichele 7y ago

I don't disagree with you, but most people won't be persuaded by this framing. I don't know if/how blue lights impact diabetic injections, since those apparently aren't injecting veins per se, but a more compelling argument for most people is that not all people using a syringe are engaging in illicit drug use. When we design hostile architecture, we design with a presumption of guilt and punish or problematically forbid a lot of innocent behavior as well. This is one of the better arguments if you wish to actually persuade people. https://www.healthline.com/health/diabetes/insulin-injection#how-to-inject https://www.healthline.com/health/diabetes/insulin-injection...

hn_throwaway_99 7y ago

First, I'm all in favor of having better access to drug treatment programs, things like needle exchange programs, and even in favor of giving addicts access to administration of their drugs in a safe setting. > If we removed the blue light, and fitted sharps bins, people would take drugs in that toilet and not on the street, and they'd have a place to dispose of the needle. This is laughable to me. To be in the frame of mind to need or want to shoot up in a public bathroom is not the same frame of mind to use a sharps bin to dispose of a needle.

DanBC 7y ago
> This is laughable to me. To be in the frame of mind to need or want to shoot up in a public bathroom is not the same frame of mind to use a sharps bin to dispose of a needle. If you provide sharps bins they tend to be used. They do this in Sydney, and there are maps available to show where the bins are.