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That's normal in New Zealand as well. I can vote with no form of ID. Requiring voter ID disenfranchises marginalised and poor voters, who may not be able to ob

That's normal in New Zealand as well. I can vote with no form of ID. Requiring voter ID disenfranchises marginalised and poor voters, who may not be able to obtain ID easily. I know several people who have no form of government issued ID. It's different in countries like Germany and France, where compulsory national ID is a thing. Rates of fraud and abuse are low enough that this isn't an issue. Technically I could go and vote in somebody else's name, and hope they also didn't vote, and I most likely wouldn't get caught. But if they did vote as well, then the double-vote would be noticed (people have have been caught casting multiple votes in the past) and would be investigated.

thatoneuser 7y ago
"Rates of fraud and abuse are low enough that this isn't an issue." How could one possibly defend this claim? If fraud and abuse were successfully committed, no one would be any the wiser. In the last two decades in the US, both parties have claimed to be the victims of voter fraud. Both have semi-legitimate claims. You cannot tell me an insecure network is intrinsically secure. That's a lie.
zfgnu 7y ago
Marginalised and poor voters exist in Europe and they have an ID card like anybody else. Having yours done could be free, if you're so inclined.
- danpalmer 7y ago
  Just because ID is free does not make it universally accessible. If the office that hands out ID cards is only open 9-5 Mon-Fri, for example, a voter who must work during this time and can't afford to miss work may not be able to get ID.
- pjc50 7y ago
  The problem is that the system would be run by racist state governments who would construct the system in the worst possible way. (Not a conjecture, this was actually evidence in one of the various voter ID lawsuits; the state government had constructed a table with impact assessments of various approaches, then picked the one with the worst impact)
jakeogh 7y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW2LpFkVfYk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW2LpFkVfYk
yazan94 7y ago
I'm not sure what the laws are in NZ, but can a non-citizen vote in a NZ election? If noone checks for any sort if ID, how do they ensure that there isn't any fraud? In a democracy, I'm honestly not convinced that 'its not that big of a problem yet' is a sufficient answer

thatoneuser 7y ago

"Rates of fraud and abuse are low enough that this isn't an issue." How could one possibly defend this claim? If fraud and abuse were successfully committed, no one would be any the wiser. In the last two decades in the US, both parties have claimed to be the victims of voter fraud. Both have semi-legitimate claims. You cannot tell me an insecure network is intrinsically secure. That's a lie.

zfgnu 7y ago

Marginalised and poor voters exist in Europe and they have an ID card like anybody else. Having yours done could be free, if you're so inclined.

danpalmer 7y ago
Just because ID is free does not make it universally accessible. If the office that hands out ID cards is only open 9-5 Mon-Fri, for example, a voter who must work during this time and can't afford to miss work may not be able to get ID.
pjc50 7y ago
The problem is that the system would be run by racist state governments who would construct the system in the worst possible way. (Not a conjecture, this was actually evidence in one of the various voter ID lawsuits; the state government had constructed a table with impact assessments of various approaches, then picked the one with the worst impact)

jakeogh 7y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW2LpFkVfYk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW2LpFkVfYk

yazan94 7y ago

I'm not sure what the laws are in NZ, but can a non-citizen vote in a NZ election? If noone checks for any sort if ID, how do they ensure that there isn't any fraud? In a democracy, I'm honestly not convinced that 'its not that big of a problem yet' is a sufficient answer