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That's the problem with leftists in censorship discussions - they fundamentally don't believe in free will. It's not the website that shot people. It wasn't Tru

by Pimpus 7y ago

That's the problem with leftists in censorship discussions - they fundamentally don't believe in free will. It's not the website that shot people. It wasn't Trump. It was the individual. Believing otherwise is highly problematic as it leads to authoritarianism.

bmurphy1976 7y ago
You're just trading one absolutism for another. It's all societies fault! No, it's all on the individual!! No nuance, no grey area. The leftists do have a point and reality is somewhere in the middle.
- rpmisms 7y ago
  The shooter acted of his own free will. Yes, there were factors that contributed to his actions, but the responsibility is squarely on his shoulders. There's room for nuance, but unless he was forced to do something against his will, it's on him.
  - bmurphy1976 7y ago
    Culture matters. Environment matters. Yes he chose to commit the crime but if the environment promotes this kind of thinking/behavior then the environment needs change as well. If he were Muslim or dark skinned we'd be losing our shit but because he's a white Christian male he's a lone wolf and it's solely his responsibility. Excuse me but I find that to be utter horsecrap.
- Pimpus 7y ago
  Reality is indeed more complicated than you and I can fathom, which makes it ironic that there is always a knee-jerk reaction to tragedies, usually by politically opportunist leftists who want to take away guns and free speech. The reality is that these were individuals who allowed themselves to be taken over by demons. They willingly forfeited their own sovereignty. To what degree society is culpable is unknown, and large-scale attempts to curtail the devil, performed with an impetuous lack of prudence, serve only to make him stronger.
dang 7y ago
Would you please stop taking HN threads further into ideological flamewar? That's not the intended use of this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by Pimpus 7y ago

bmurphy1976 7y ago

You're just trading one absolutism for another. It's all societies fault! No, it's all on the individual!! No nuance, no grey area. The leftists do have a point and reality is somewhere in the middle.

rpmisms 7y ago
The shooter acted of his own free will. Yes, there were factors that contributed to his actions, but the responsibility is squarely on his shoulders. There's room for nuance, but unless he was forced to do something against his will, it's on him.
- bmurphy1976 7y ago
  Culture matters. Environment matters. Yes he chose to commit the crime but if the environment promotes this kind of thinking/behavior then the environment needs change as well. If he were Muslim or dark skinned we'd be losing our shit but because he's a white Christian male he's a lone wolf and it's solely his responsibility. Excuse me but I find that to be utter horsecrap.
Pimpus 7y ago
Reality is indeed more complicated than you and I can fathom, which makes it ironic that there is always a knee-jerk reaction to tragedies, usually by politically opportunist leftists who want to take away guns and free speech. The reality is that these were individuals who allowed themselves to be taken over by demons. They willingly forfeited their own sovereignty. To what degree society is culpable is unknown, and large-scale attempts to curtail the devil, performed with an impetuous lack of prudence, serve only to make him stronger.

dang 7y ago

Would you please stop taking HN threads further into ideological flamewar? That's not the intended use of this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html