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Maybe that average Parisian commute is slower, but more pleasant. Walking and taking in the environment is certainly more positive for the body and mood (on ave

by gibolt 7y ago

Maybe that average Parisian commute is slower, but more pleasant. Walking and taking in the environment is certainly more positive for the body and mood (on average). You also encounter tons of other people, building social value, even without any direct interactions. Reading or daydreaming also become options when not focused on the road. Time isn't the only measurement. You are probably correct that the average American, however, doesn't see it from that perspective.

closeparen 7y ago
Depends on the environment and the people. I'd often take the long way through campus: pleasant architecture and landscaping, light filtered through tall buildings and trees, chance encounters with classmates and professors, lots of porous buildings with stuff going on. The walking parts of my Bay Area transit commute, on the other hand, were urine vapor mingled with pot smoke, harsh direct sunlight bouncing off concrete, dozens of homeless people in varying levels of distress, shitty decaying $1.5 million houses, random commercial and industrial facilities with no windows or public access, lifeless expanses of "open space." A $22 parking fee is well worth it to avoid being a pedestrian anywhere near Civic Center Station.
- fnord123 7y ago
  >dozens of homeless people in varying levels of distress The homelessness problems in the US vs EU is a whole other topic.
  - mymythisisthis 7y ago
    Curious, what is your quick take on it. It's partially related to this topic. Many small cities in N.America give homeless people free bus tickets to NYC or California, so they don't have to deal with them. This allows small cities no to worry about public transit, and widens the urban/rural divide.
    - fnord123 7y ago
      I'm not an expert but there are large swathes of rough sleepers in SF, SJ, NY, Austin, LA, etc. And even though the % of population in the US who are classified as homeless in the US is less than e.g. UK, there's nothing on that scale of rough sleepers scale in comparable or larger cities like London, Paris (maybe 17de?), etc. I don't know if the definitions of homelessness plays a part in the different %s but the suffering of homelessness seems higher in the US than EU.
  - closeparen 7y ago
    No, it isn’t. The homelessness issues in cities drive the popularity of suburbia, suburban style planning, avoidance of walking/transit, and the need for cars/parking downtown (since few want their kids to grow up where they work, especially outside top 10 cities). Car dependence is far and away the most effective “solution” to visible homelessness, and that’s part of why people are so attached to it. Urban planning and public transportation also feed back into homelessness by prohibiting cheap housing types (like SROs) and making it nearly impossible to hold a job without owning a car in good repair (bus delays and cancellations will get you fired).
pjmlp 7y ago
Paris subway outside the city center lines isn't necessarily pleasant.
arkh 7y ago
> Maybe that average Parisian commute is slower, but more pleasant. LMAO. Try Ligne 13 or Ligne 1 for your commute. Or any RER. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b22yKsTvynQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b22yKsTvynQ Pleasant is not the first word coming to my mind. And you're gonna enjoy the experience a lot more during the winter (lot of homeless people live there because it's 30°C) or summer.
- treden 7y ago
  Yeah, a pleasant stroll through the relaxing romantic fog of scooter emissions... http://aqicn.org/map/paris/ http://aqicn.org/map/paris/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48762911 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48762911

by gibolt 7y ago

closeparen 7y ago

Depends on the environment and the people. I'd often take the long way through campus: pleasant architecture and landscaping, light filtered through tall buildings and trees, chance encounters with classmates and professors, lots of porous buildings with stuff going on. The walking parts of my Bay Area transit commute, on the other hand, were urine vapor mingled with pot smoke, harsh direct sunlight bouncing off concrete, dozens of homeless people in varying levels of distress, shitty decaying $1.5 million houses, random commercial and industrial facilities with no windows or public access, lifeless expanses of "open space." A $22 parking fee is well worth it to avoid being a pedestrian anywhere near Civic Center Station.

fnord123 7y ago
>dozens of homeless people in varying levels of distress The homelessness problems in the US vs EU is a whole other topic.
- mymythisisthis 7y ago
  Curious, what is your quick take on it. It's partially related to this topic. Many small cities in N.America give homeless people free bus tickets to NYC or California, so they don't have to deal with them. This allows small cities no to worry about public transit, and widens the urban/rural divide.
  - fnord123 7y ago
    I'm not an expert but there are large swathes of rough sleepers in SF, SJ, NY, Austin, LA, etc. And even though the % of population in the US who are classified as homeless in the US is less than e.g. UK, there's nothing on that scale of rough sleepers scale in comparable or larger cities like London, Paris (maybe 17de?), etc. I don't know if the definitions of homelessness plays a part in the different %s but the suffering of homelessness seems higher in the US than EU.
- closeparen 7y ago
  No, it isn’t. The homelessness issues in cities drive the popularity of suburbia, suburban style planning, avoidance of walking/transit, and the need for cars/parking downtown (since few want their kids to grow up where they work, especially outside top 10 cities). Car dependence is far and away the most effective “solution” to visible homelessness, and that’s part of why people are so attached to it. Urban planning and public transportation also feed back into homelessness by prohibiting cheap housing types (like SROs) and making it nearly impossible to hold a job without owning a car in good repair (bus delays and cancellations will get you fired).

pjmlp 7y ago

Paris subway outside the city center lines isn't necessarily pleasant.

arkh 7y ago

> Maybe that average Parisian commute is slower, but more pleasant. LMAO. Try Ligne 13 or Ligne 1 for your commute. Or any RER. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b22yKsTvynQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b22yKsTvynQ Pleasant is not the first word coming to my mind. And you're gonna enjoy the experience a lot more during the winter (lot of homeless people live there because it's 30°C) or summer.

treden 7y ago
Yeah, a pleasant stroll through the relaxing romantic fog of scooter emissions... http://aqicn.org/map/paris/ http://aqicn.org/map/paris/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48762911 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48762911