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There is no way to convince someone about the morality or immorality of a stance since morality is subjective... But in places like San Francisco and LA the lac

There is no way to convince someone about the morality or immorality of a stance since morality is subjective... But in places like San Francisco and LA the lack of bathrooms are creating disease vectors. I get both sides of the issue: the general public will totally trash private restrooms. But also as a member of the general public I'd like to live in a city with public health policy that's designed with 21st century norms like not having fecal matter in the street.

dymk 7y ago
That's not a matter of building public restrooms (which, as you say, will just get trashed), it's a matter of not having so many homeless people on the streets that you end up with urine and feces everywhere.
- trhway 7y ago
  I'm really puzzled by absence of public restrooms in US.
  - dymk 7y ago
    I think you're confused; there certainly are public restrooms in our large cities. But even there, it just doesn't stop late-night drunks and the homeless from peeing on buildings.
    - Sabinus 7y ago
      Are you saying drunks and the homeless in the US are more destructive than the rest of the world?
      - dymk 7y ago
        I'm saying that some cities have a far higher concentration of homeless drunks than some other cities, and those are the ones that implement hostile architecture.
- curryst 7y ago
  I live in SF, and I am not homeless but still struggle to find somewhere to use the restroom without buying something I don't really want or need in a restaurant/bar/whatever. More than once, I have purchased something or just tipped someone merely because I needed to use the restroom. I frequently struggle to find somewhere to throw things away. I have walked several blocks (probably close to half a mile) carrying my dogs poop simply because there is nowhere to discard it. I am not surprised that the streets are full of trash and human excrement. I have a place to go home to, and frequently hold it until I get there. I have a lot of empathy for those who live on the streets; I don't think anyone really wants to shit where they live, it's a matter of necessity. Where would you relieve yourself in SF if you didn't have a home or money to needlessly pay someone to use their restrooms?
  - wahern 7y ago
    Japan doesn't have public trash receptacles and they manage quite well. Conversely, in SF I've seen plenty of public trash receptacles where people have literally dumped their trash onto the street, even though the receptacle was clearly not full. These are reflections of our societies, not root causes.

dymk 7y ago

That's not a matter of building public restrooms (which, as you say, will just get trashed), it's a matter of not having so many homeless people on the streets that you end up with urine and feces everywhere.

trhway 7y ago
I'm really puzzled by absence of public restrooms in US.
- dymk 7y ago
  I think you're confused; there certainly are public restrooms in our large cities. But even there, it just doesn't stop late-night drunks and the homeless from peeing on buildings.
  - Sabinus 7y ago
    Are you saying drunks and the homeless in the US are more destructive than the rest of the world?
    - dymk 7y ago
      I'm saying that some cities have a far higher concentration of homeless drunks than some other cities, and those are the ones that implement hostile architecture.
curryst 7y ago
I live in SF, and I am not homeless but still struggle to find somewhere to use the restroom without buying something I don't really want or need in a restaurant/bar/whatever. More than once, I have purchased something or just tipped someone merely because I needed to use the restroom. I frequently struggle to find somewhere to throw things away. I have walked several blocks (probably close to half a mile) carrying my dogs poop simply because there is nowhere to discard it. I am not surprised that the streets are full of trash and human excrement. I have a place to go home to, and frequently hold it until I get there. I have a lot of empathy for those who live on the streets; I don't think anyone really wants to shit where they live, it's a matter of necessity. Where would you relieve yourself in SF if you didn't have a home or money to needlessly pay someone to use their restrooms?
- wahern 7y ago
  Japan doesn't have public trash receptacles and they manage quite well. Conversely, in SF I've seen plenty of public trash receptacles where people have literally dumped their trash onto the street, even though the receptacle was clearly not full. These are reflections of our societies, not root causes.