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No one is taking this from you. The point is that these features (thinness/touchbar/whatever) are not an _option_ now. Before you could pick Air if you preferre

No one is taking this from you. The point is that these features (thinness/touchbar/whatever) are not an _option_ now. Before you could pick Air if you preferred a thin machine, Pro in case you wanted all the ports. Everyone got their own. Now that's not a thing anymore.

lostgame 7y ago
Exactly. In fact, the lineup was so absurd that the for years the 'MacBook' was lighter than the 'MacBook Air' - and more expensive - all of the logic from Jobs' original 'pro desktop/consumer desktop - pro laptop/consumer laptop' ideology has gone far out the window.
pcr910303 7y ago
> The point is that these features (thinness/touchbar/whatever) are not an _option_ now. Well, the iMac didn’t provide an option to install floppy disks as well! If you believe they are crucial, then you should just buy another company’s computer. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy the new MBPs.
- leppr 7y ago
  The problem is people feel trapped into buying Apple only because they got used to MacOS. I'm sure not many would bother to keep using these outdated 2015 MBP if they could simply install MacOS on a Thinkpad X1 like you do Linux, for instance.
  - TimTheTinker 7y ago
    It’s funny - there was a time when Apple had petty great hardware and woefully inadequate software (after Steve’s return, before Mac OS X was released). Now it seems they’ve switched to being the other way around.
    - leppr 7y ago
      They still have the only good touchpad on a laptop. I wonder what kind of patent or engineering magic prevents every other vendor from emulating it.
      - rxhernandez 7y ago
        And the thinkpad's nipple mouse is way better than their touchpad. I feel like a caveman on any touchpad.
      - TacticalTable 7y ago
        It's 50% magic, and 50% actually caring about the product. PC laptops are a race to the bottom because the only way they can sell laptops are by advertising their specs on Best Buy counters or Amazon pages. Review that average consumers bother to read rarely rate laptops on how enjoyable they are to use. Most customers (in my experience) will have a few key metrics they want (generally battery life, web browsing performance, and storage). Everything else, from quality to screen to input devices, are effectively cost centers to the manufacturer. Dell XPS and Surface are getting there on trackpads, but they still haven't put forward the full effort for it.
        leppr 7y ago
        That's only true with low-mid tier devices. Try handling a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, it's way better professional hardware than a MacBook Pro imo. Super light, mate screen, great keyboard. My theory on Apple's design process with the MBP is they put all their efforts on the first 60 seconds with the product. The touchpad is the first thing you touch in a store, the bright colorful screen, and the very cool look the flat keyboard gives to the whole machine contribute a lot to the first impression. The finger pains, the electric conductivity and heavy weight of the aluminium, the reflective screen, those are things you suffer from only once you've already bought the product.
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lostgame 7y ago

Exactly. In fact, the lineup was so absurd that the for years the 'MacBook' was lighter than the 'MacBook Air' - and more expensive - all of the logic from Jobs' original 'pro desktop/consumer desktop - pro laptop/consumer laptop' ideology has gone far out the window.

pcr910303 7y ago

> The point is that these features (thinness/touchbar/whatever) are not an _option_ now. Well, the iMac didn’t provide an option to install floppy disks as well! If you believe they are crucial, then you should just buy another company’s computer. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy the new MBPs.

leppr 7y ago
The problem is people feel trapped into buying Apple only because they got used to MacOS. I'm sure not many would bother to keep using these outdated 2015 MBP if they could simply install MacOS on a Thinkpad X1 like you do Linux, for instance.
- TimTheTinker 7y ago
  It’s funny - there was a time when Apple had petty great hardware and woefully inadequate software (after Steve’s return, before Mac OS X was released). Now it seems they’ve switched to being the other way around.
  - leppr 7y ago
    They still have the only good touchpad on a laptop. I wonder what kind of patent or engineering magic prevents every other vendor from emulating it.
    - rxhernandez 7y ago
      And the thinkpad's nipple mouse is way better than their touchpad. I feel like a caveman on any touchpad.
    - TacticalTable 7y ago
      It's 50% magic, and 50% actually caring about the product. PC laptops are a race to the bottom because the only way they can sell laptops are by advertising their specs on Best Buy counters or Amazon pages. Review that average consumers bother to read rarely rate laptops on how enjoyable they are to use. Most customers (in my experience) will have a few key metrics they want (generally battery life, web browsing performance, and storage). Everything else, from quality to screen to input devices, are effectively cost centers to the manufacturer. Dell XPS and Surface are getting there on trackpads, but they still haven't put forward the full effort for it.
      - leppr 7y ago
        That's only true with low-mid tier devices. Try handling a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, it's way better professional hardware than a MacBook Pro imo. Super light, mate screen, great keyboard. My theory on Apple's design process with the MBP is they put all their efforts on the first 60 seconds with the product. The touchpad is the first thing you touch in a store, the bright colorful screen, and the very cool look the flat keyboard gives to the whole machine contribute a lot to the first impression. The finger pains, the electric conductivity and heavy weight of the aluminium, the reflective screen, those are things you suffer from only once you've already bought the product.
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