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How many people die from crashes related to delivering packages in our current form? I'm guessing its != 0

sytelus 7y ago
People often miss a big point here. Delivery truck crashing into car is a human mistake. There was another human involved who could have severe punishment including death, loss of job, loss of wealth etc. Humans killing 10,000 humans each day in driving mistake is not same as drones killing 10,000 humans each day due to random tech failure. Even if drones killed only 1000 humans and there was a net reduction of 90% of deaths, I bet it would not be acceptable to larger human society. You can do a thought experiment: Let's say airplanes failed at 100X of current rates but it was relatively still less number of deaths if people drove that distance by themselves. Would you be able to argue airplane failure rate was still acceptable? For drones, I bet there would be an immediate movement for banning the whole thing if there was a single drone ever fell on playing kindergartners randomly. This is one situation where just bringing data and making rational arguments don't work.
- weddpros 7y ago
  I'm baffled that technology-related accidental deaths that can be and will be reduced by technology could feel somehow unacceptable, whereas a higher risk of human caused deaths would be OK just because you hope these humans will be punished somehow. Let's punish drones then...
- 4ntonius8lock 7y ago
  > Let's say airplanes failed at 100X rates but it was relatively still less number of deaths if people drove that distance by themselves. Would you be able to argue airplane failure rate was still acceptable? For me? Absolutely. For most of the people I spend time with? Yes. For the majority of the population? No. This is why bringing numbers and logic to the arena is so important. Otherwise, we spend billions avoiding 10 deaths while we could avoid other deaths for mere thousands. Much like coal and nuclear. The level of lunacy is hard to deal with for me. > Delivery truck crashing into car is a human mistake. Actually, all drone mistakes are human mistakes. Even if the drone was put together by machine, it was a human process that created it.

People often miss a big point here. Delivery truck crashing into car is a human mistake. There was another human involved who could have severe punishment including death, loss of job, loss of wealth etc. Humans killing 10,000 humans each day in driving mistake is not same as drones killing 10,000 humans each day due to random tech failure. Even if drones killed only 1000 humans and there was a net reduction of 90% of deaths, I bet it would not be acceptable to larger human society. You can do a thought experiment: Let's say airplanes failed at 100X of current rates but it was relatively still less number of deaths if people drove that distance by themselves. Would you be able to argue airplane failure rate was still acceptable? For drones, I bet there would be an immediate movement for banning the whole thing if there was a single drone ever fell on playing kindergartners randomly. This is one situation where just bringing data and making rational arguments don't work.

weddpros 7y ago
I'm baffled that technology-related accidental deaths that can be and will be reduced by technology could feel somehow unacceptable, whereas a higher risk of human caused deaths would be OK just because you hope these humans will be punished somehow. Let's punish drones then...
4ntonius8lock 7y ago
> Let's say airplanes failed at 100X rates but it was relatively still less number of deaths if people drove that distance by themselves. Would you be able to argue airplane failure rate was still acceptable? For me? Absolutely. For most of the people I spend time with? Yes. For the majority of the population? No. This is why bringing numbers and logic to the arena is so important. Otherwise, we spend billions avoiding 10 deaths while we could avoid other deaths for mere thousands. Much like coal and nuclear. The level of lunacy is hard to deal with for me. > Delivery truck crashing into car is a human mistake. Actually, all drone mistakes are human mistakes. Even if the drone was put together by machine, it was a human process that created it.