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Not a credible threat, according to police. Also, only after she was targeted by the media (a common pattern for Youtube to take action). > “Susan, I’ve known

Not a credible threat, according to police. Also, only after she was targeted by the media (a common pattern for Youtube to take action). > “Susan, I’ve known your address since last summer. I’ve got a Luger and a mitochondrial disease. I don’t care if I live. Why should I care if you live or your children? I just called an Uber. You’ve got about seven minutes to draft up a will. … I’m coming for you, and it ain’t gonna be pretty.”

olliej 7y ago
Well obviously the media got involved - Youtube's track record of responding to content reports is pretty much non-existent, the only time they take meaningful action is when the media draws attention to it.
fortran77 7y ago
Really? The Police don't consider _that_ a credible threat? Wow!
- henryfjordan 7y ago
  To be credible, the person making the threat needs to be able to act on it. If I say "I am going to shoot you right now" but am not holding a gun, that's not a credible threat. I assume the police saw a 14yo who can't take an Uber by themselves and cannot buy a gun and said "yeah, no way he could follow this one through". Edit: I'm not saying the kid shouldn't be punished, or that the law shouldn't be something else. This is just answering how that particular tweet that was being discussed was interpreted by police to not constitute a "credible threat"
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - xapata 7y ago
    I'd guess there are more than a few 14-year-old children with access to a gun and an Uber account.
  - Waterluvian 7y ago
    Regardless of that, isn't it still a crime this child committed?
  - drcongo 7y ago
    She tweeted a picture of herself with a gun _with_ the threat. It says so right in the article.
    - chaoticmass 7y ago
      It was a razor scooter held up in such a way as to look like a gun.
      - GaryNumanVevo 7y ago
        It's clearly an AR-15 hand guard Please stop spreading disinformation. https://i.redd.it/hxurx642mwd31.jpg https://i.redd.it/hxurx642mwd31.jpg
        throwawaywego 7y ago
        And for context: https://i.imgur.com/NpvySvG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NpvySvG.jpg (Pewdiepie) (It's edgy humor/let kids play on their skateboard)
        GaryNumanVevo 7y ago
        This is a bad faith argument, Pewdiepie isn't directly threatening anyone. Soph was directly making a threat.
        throwawaywego 7y ago
        She can't keep getting away with this.
      - brohee 7y ago
        They totally come with Picatinny rails...
  - tzakrajs 7y ago
    Police will interpret and enforce the law in ways that aren't always legal. I wouldn't consider their interpretation of what a credible threat is to be canonical.
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    Apologies for forgetting to answer this at the time, but there seem few if any obstacles toa smart 14 yo taking an uber ride and you seem to have overlooked the possibility that her parents already own one or more guns, which is extremely common in the US.
happytoexplain 7y ago
The credibility of the threat to murder is quite relevant for legal reasons, but I don't understand how there are people who are upset that she was banned from YouTube for this.
- leereeves 7y ago
  It's a reasonable standard but I'd like to see it applied more fairly. Were any of these celebrities [1] deplatformed for threatening Republicans? Does anyone on the left consider that their hateful rhetoric might be inspiring their own followers to violence when that happens? 1: https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-stars-donald-trump-violent-death-kathy-griffin-snoop-dogg/ https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-stars-donald-trump-violent...
  - notafraudster 7y ago
    I clicked your link expecting threats comparable to the above. What I mostly got were off-color jokes. Like, an example here is Rosie O'Donnell (who is absolutely an idiot when it comes to political commentary) tweeting a link to a flash game where you can push Trump off a cliff. What is the scenario where this is at all connected to reality? I could certainly see it being seen as threatening and I wouldn't shed a tear if she was banned from it, but do you think that's comparable to the kind of threat being discussed in this thread? Another example at this link is the NYC Public Theatre's presentation of Julius Caesar, which typically is a modern adaptation of Caesar where Caesar is depicted as whoever is currently in charge; and they did a production where Caesar is dressed like Trump. It's been a while since I've read Caesar, but the premise of Julius Caesar is that the conspirators who overthrow the man they believe to be a tyrant are themselves tyrannical. Caesar is not depicted well, but he's not the bad guy and the play isn't glorifying or calling for violence against Caesar, it's depicting the tragic spiral of consequences as a result of the coup against him. It's not even commentary about Trump, it's a running thing they do with whoever the contemporary leader is. They have previously done productions with an Obama-Caesar. I think they may have also had a Clinton-Caesar. Another linked example involves a music video where a robot that looks like Trump explodes. Do you think this is threatening violence against Trump? I just mention this because I'm trying to understand what possessed you to link to this to draw an equivalence. The only example given that seems at all comparable is the Big Sean lyric, and even then, I'm not sure I accept the premise that we should take a lyric from a song to be directly equivalent to an apparently straight-faced declaration of intent. Do you think you could elaborate a bit on how you believe the linked examples are equivalent to his without saying "the left"? Like, specifically, which of the linked examples do you think is most directly comparable to this, and specifically, which of the threats would you ban if you controlled YouTube and those threats were made on YouTube?

olliej 7y ago

Well obviously the media got involved - Youtube's track record of responding to content reports is pretty much non-existent, the only time they take meaningful action is when the media draws attention to it.

fortran77 7y ago

Really? The Police don't consider _that_ a credible threat? Wow!

henryfjordan 7y ago
To be credible, the person making the threat needs to be able to act on it. If I say "I am going to shoot you right now" but am not holding a gun, that's not a credible threat. I assume the police saw a 14yo who can't take an Uber by themselves and cannot buy a gun and said "yeah, no way he could follow this one through". Edit: I'm not saying the kid shouldn't be punished, or that the law shouldn't be something else. This is just answering how that particular tweet that was being discussed was interpreted by police to not constitute a "credible threat"
- deleted 7y ago
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- xapata 7y ago
  I'd guess there are more than a few 14-year-old children with access to a gun and an Uber account.
- Waterluvian 7y ago
  Regardless of that, isn't it still a crime this child committed?
- drcongo 7y ago
  She tweeted a picture of herself with a gun _with_ the threat. It says so right in the article.
  - chaoticmass 7y ago
    It was a razor scooter held up in such a way as to look like a gun.
    - GaryNumanVevo 7y ago
      It's clearly an AR-15 hand guard Please stop spreading disinformation. https://i.redd.it/hxurx642mwd31.jpg https://i.redd.it/hxurx642mwd31.jpg
      - throwawaywego 7y ago
        And for context: https://i.imgur.com/NpvySvG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NpvySvG.jpg (Pewdiepie) (It's edgy humor/let kids play on their skateboard)
        GaryNumanVevo 7y ago
        This is a bad faith argument, Pewdiepie isn't directly threatening anyone. Soph was directly making a threat.
        throwawaywego 7y ago
        She can't keep getting away with this.
    - brohee 7y ago
      They totally come with Picatinny rails...
- tzakrajs 7y ago
  Police will interpret and enforce the law in ways that aren't always legal. I wouldn't consider their interpretation of what a credible threat is to be canonical.
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  Apologies for forgetting to answer this at the time, but there seem few if any obstacles toa smart 14 yo taking an uber ride and you seem to have overlooked the possibility that her parents already own one or more guns, which is extremely common in the US.

happytoexplain 7y ago

The credibility of the threat to murder is quite relevant for legal reasons, but I don't understand how there are people who are upset that she was banned from YouTube for this.

leereeves 7y ago
It's a reasonable standard but I'd like to see it applied more fairly. Were any of these celebrities [1] deplatformed for threatening Republicans? Does anyone on the left consider that their hateful rhetoric might be inspiring their own followers to violence when that happens? 1: https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-stars-donald-trump-violent-death-kathy-griffin-snoop-dogg/ https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-stars-donald-trump-violent...
- notafraudster 7y ago
  I clicked your link expecting threats comparable to the above. What I mostly got were off-color jokes. Like, an example here is Rosie O'Donnell (who is absolutely an idiot when it comes to political commentary) tweeting a link to a flash game where you can push Trump off a cliff. What is the scenario where this is at all connected to reality? I could certainly see it being seen as threatening and I wouldn't shed a tear if she was banned from it, but do you think that's comparable to the kind of threat being discussed in this thread? Another example at this link is the NYC Public Theatre's presentation of Julius Caesar, which typically is a modern adaptation of Caesar where Caesar is depicted as whoever is currently in charge; and they did a production where Caesar is dressed like Trump. It's been a while since I've read Caesar, but the premise of Julius Caesar is that the conspirators who overthrow the man they believe to be a tyrant are themselves tyrannical. Caesar is not depicted well, but he's not the bad guy and the play isn't glorifying or calling for violence against Caesar, it's depicting the tragic spiral of consequences as a result of the coup against him. It's not even commentary about Trump, it's a running thing they do with whoever the contemporary leader is. They have previously done productions with an Obama-Caesar. I think they may have also had a Clinton-Caesar. Another linked example involves a music video where a robot that looks like Trump explodes. Do you think this is threatening violence against Trump? I just mention this because I'm trying to understand what possessed you to link to this to draw an equivalence. The only example given that seems at all comparable is the Big Sean lyric, and even then, I'm not sure I accept the premise that we should take a lyric from a song to be directly equivalent to an apparently straight-faced declaration of intent. Do you think you could elaborate a bit on how you believe the linked examples are equivalent to his without saying "the left"? Like, specifically, which of the linked examples do you think is most directly comparable to this, and specifically, which of the threats would you ban if you controlled YouTube and those threats were made on YouTube?