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I think this is shaky ground. Plenty of people think LGBT "choose" their sexuality (though I do not). White supremacists, religious people etc think their belie

I think this is shaky ground. Plenty of people think LGBT "choose" their sexuality (though I do not). White supremacists, religious people etc think their beliefs reflect objective reality, which is clearly not something they can choose. I think making "you chose this" a valid reason to censor/attack/etc. something opens the door to some pretty dangerous things, since it's not difficult to accuse things of being a choice that aren't.

zzzcpan 7y ago
> Plenty of people think LGBT "choose" their sexuality Right. Even this assumption is loaded with ideology both ways. I.e. either they choose or do not choose. Neither is correct.
memmcgee 7y ago
Except there is an objective reality that LGBT people don't choose their sexuality.
- wyclif 7y ago
  That is not "an objective reality", it's an opinion.
  - widowlark 7y ago
    it's only an opinion if you reject years of research. Sounds like you might just be a bigot.
    - wyclif 7y ago
      The accusation of "bigotry" is a common and entirely predictable, tiresome move for those without the academic goods. Why not read the actual research? Nope, sorry/not sorry, the prolix pop culture wishful thinking that homosexuality is innate is fiction https://www.thenewatlantis.com/docLib/20160819_TNA50SexualityandGender.pdf https://www.thenewatlantis.com/docLib/20160819_TNA50Sexualit...
      - erispoe 7y ago
        "The New Atlantis" is not a peer review publication. It's, by its own description, a "small journals of ideas". Very far from "actual research".
        wyclif 7y ago
        I didn't say the New Atlantis was a peer-reviewed publication, and I know the difference. But did you read it? The NA is a summary of the peer reviewed publications and journals such as The Annals of Statistics, Biometrics, American Journal of Political Science, New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Statistical Association, and American Journal of Public Health. So, nope, it simply won't do to sniff "not peer reviewed!" in response to this and think it's some kind of slam dunk that supports your biases regarding human sexuality.
feanaro 7y ago
No one chooses anything since their is no free will and people are biological automatons.
- feanaro 7y ago
  Uhhh, *there.
agent00f 7y ago
Can you explain why you're taking conservative bigots seriously?

zzzcpan 7y ago

> Plenty of people think LGBT "choose" their sexuality Right. Even this assumption is loaded with ideology both ways. I.e. either they choose or do not choose. Neither is correct.

memmcgee 7y ago

Except there is an objective reality that LGBT people don't choose their sexuality.

wyclif 7y ago
That is not "an objective reality", it's an opinion.
- widowlark 7y ago
  it's only an opinion if you reject years of research. Sounds like you might just be a bigot.
  - wyclif 7y ago
    The accusation of "bigotry" is a common and entirely predictable, tiresome move for those without the academic goods. Why not read the actual research? Nope, sorry/not sorry, the prolix pop culture wishful thinking that homosexuality is innate is fiction https://www.thenewatlantis.com/docLib/20160819_TNA50SexualityandGender.pdf https://www.thenewatlantis.com/docLib/20160819_TNA50Sexualit...
    - erispoe 7y ago
      "The New Atlantis" is not a peer review publication. It's, by its own description, a "small journals of ideas". Very far from "actual research".
      - wyclif 7y ago
        I didn't say the New Atlantis was a peer-reviewed publication, and I know the difference. But did you read it? The NA is a summary of the peer reviewed publications and journals such as The Annals of Statistics, Biometrics, American Journal of Political Science, New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Statistical Association, and American Journal of Public Health. So, nope, it simply won't do to sniff "not peer reviewed!" in response to this and think it's some kind of slam dunk that supports your biases regarding human sexuality.

feanaro 7y ago

No one chooses anything since their is no free will and people are biological automatons.

feanaro 7y ago
Uhhh, *there.

agent00f 7y ago

Can you explain why you're taking conservative bigots seriously?