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Looks like the standard is there hasn’t been enough bad press about their material support of those terrorist orgs yet. They clearly wait for the public outrage

by dahdum 7y ago

Looks like the standard is there hasn’t been enough bad press about their material support of those terrorist orgs yet. They clearly wait for the public outrage before acting.

afiori 7y ago
According to some CEO interview they hold on as long as possible until forced otherwise. This is relevant as the censorship here (whether justified or not, right or wrong it is censorship) is not done by CF, but by a faceless internet mob that is attacking both CF and 8chan. CF has all the right to terminate its relationships with anyone. social media mobs should not force companies to exercise that right.
- DuskStar 7y ago
  > According to some CEO interview they hold on as long as possible until forced otherwise. I think an appropriate qualifier here might be that they used to hold on as long as possible. I don't think that's universally true anymore. > This is relevant as the censorship here (whether justified or not, right or wrong it is censorship) is not done by CF, but by a faceless internet mob that is attacking both CF and 8chan. In the same sense that a mob outside the courthouse ensured a guilty verdict, perhaps. But it's still the jurors who actually acted.
  - afiori 7y ago
    > In the same sense that a mob outside the courthouse ensured a guilty verdict, perhaps. But it's still the jurors who actually acted. I am not sure what you mean here... but I would find in both cases very problematic that a mob could wield such power. A mob is not a democratic representation.
    - DuskStar 7y ago
      I meant that the mob may have made demands, but the only power the mob has is that which it is given. Just like the verdict reached by those jurors, Cloudflare chose their own path.
      - afiori 7y ago
        Mob power come mostly from two sources. First, the one you point out, people/companies yielding and affirming the efficacy of their method. Second from other public figure joining in the pressure. The reason the mob has power is in the end that they do not get criticized by those they respect.

by dahdum 7y ago

Looks like the standard is there hasn’t been enough bad press about their material support of those terrorist orgs yet. They clearly wait for the public outrage before acting.

afiori 7y ago

According to some CEO interview they hold on as long as possible until forced otherwise. This is relevant as the censorship here (whether justified or not, right or wrong it is censorship) is not done by CF, but by a faceless internet mob that is attacking both CF and 8chan. CF has all the right to terminate its relationships with anyone. social media mobs should not force companies to exercise that right.

DuskStar 7y ago
> According to some CEO interview they hold on as long as possible until forced otherwise. I think an appropriate qualifier here might be that they used to hold on as long as possible. I don't think that's universally true anymore. > This is relevant as the censorship here (whether justified or not, right or wrong it is censorship) is not done by CF, but by a faceless internet mob that is attacking both CF and 8chan. In the same sense that a mob outside the courthouse ensured a guilty verdict, perhaps. But it's still the jurors who actually acted.
- afiori 7y ago
  > In the same sense that a mob outside the courthouse ensured a guilty verdict, perhaps. But it's still the jurors who actually acted. I am not sure what you mean here... but I would find in both cases very problematic that a mob could wield such power. A mob is not a democratic representation.
  - DuskStar 7y ago
    I meant that the mob may have made demands, but the only power the mob has is that which it is given. Just like the verdict reached by those jurors, Cloudflare chose their own path.
    - afiori 7y ago
      Mob power come mostly from two sources. First, the one you point out, people/companies yielding and affirming the efficacy of their method. Second from other public figure joining in the pressure. The reason the mob has power is in the end that they do not get criticized by those they respect.