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How many people had to die on 9/11 to protect the free speech rights of Muslims? It is undeniable that those terrorist attacks have a direct connection to the

How many people had to die on 9/11 to protect the free speech rights of Muslims? It is undeniable that those terrorist attacks have a direct connection to the ideas being spread by those Mosques. How many Muslims have "skin in the game"?

ggggtez 7y ago
I think you are trying to turn the above argument on it's head, but honestly I have no idea what point you are trying to make. "The free speech of muslims"? It's almost as if you think 9/11 was caused by a domestic terrorist. You do realize the hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia right? And there is no free speech there? So... what are you trying to imply? Please use more clear language instead of just trying to meme.
- khawkins 7y ago
  Clearly you understood what I was trying to say, you're just acting dumb to avoid directly engaging with it. These arguments can be directly used to argue for the suppression of Islamic religious speech. Using the same "guilt by association" reasoning, you can easily argue that 9/11 is proof that Islam itself is a hateful and dangerous ideology which, when spread, has "consequences".
  - zaroth 7y ago
    The distinction in this case is that 8chan is simply a “poisoned well” which can be boarded up until the next one takes its place, whereas “Islam” is a whole ideology followed by a billion-odd people. “Extremist Islamic terrorists” on the other hand, that is a narrowly defined enough population to feel justified in going to war against. But the point is, no one’s speech in particular is being suppressed. To keep the metaphor, a “mosque got too radical” and was shut down. People who were practicing there will have to find another place to go.
laughinghan 7y ago
Mosques have a responsibility to reject extremism and report dangerous individuals to the FBI. And they do: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/20/fbi-informant https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/20/fbi-informant A mosque in America that openly fostered extremism like 8chan did would of course get shut down.

ggggtez 7y ago

I think you are trying to turn the above argument on it's head, but honestly I have no idea what point you are trying to make. "The free speech of muslims"? It's almost as if you think 9/11 was caused by a domestic terrorist. You do realize the hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia right? And there is no free speech there? So... what are you trying to imply? Please use more clear language instead of just trying to meme.

khawkins 7y ago
Clearly you understood what I was trying to say, you're just acting dumb to avoid directly engaging with it. These arguments can be directly used to argue for the suppression of Islamic religious speech. Using the same "guilt by association" reasoning, you can easily argue that 9/11 is proof that Islam itself is a hateful and dangerous ideology which, when spread, has "consequences".
- zaroth 7y ago
  The distinction in this case is that 8chan is simply a “poisoned well” which can be boarded up until the next one takes its place, whereas “Islam” is a whole ideology followed by a billion-odd people. “Extremist Islamic terrorists” on the other hand, that is a narrowly defined enough population to feel justified in going to war against. But the point is, no one’s speech in particular is being suppressed. To keep the metaphor, a “mosque got too radical” and was shut down. People who were practicing there will have to find another place to go.

laughinghan 7y ago

Mosques have a responsibility to reject extremism and report dangerous individuals to the FBI. And they do: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/20/fbi-informant https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/20/fbi-informant A mosque in America that openly fostered extremism like 8chan did would of course get shut down.