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This might be an unpopular opinion for those who view more rules as the answer. Banning (or discontinuing or deplatforming or whatever you want to call it) may
by mythrwy 7y ago
This might be an unpopular opinion for those who view more rules as the answer.
Banning (or discontinuing or deplatforming or whatever you want to call it) may do little but harden the resolve of key ideologues of whatever stripe. For them, it leads credence to the idea that there is conspiracy against the group afoot. Besides, when has banning actually been effective? Sure, it may reduce manifestation and reduce recruitment, but drugs and spam pretty much show wack-a-mole is not really an effective policy. That's to say nothing of the moral hazards of thought police determining who can say what.
However it is obvious that leaving these kind of groups to echo chamber louder and more extreme, egging each other on also leads to bad outcomes.
Perhaps a solution may be proactive counter speech. Some sort of volunteer regiment or something that finds where these sorts congregate and offers counterpoints to violent idiocy. Obviously flat out threats or calls to action are crimes in and of themselves and should be treated as such.
This would be a pretty thankless task because who wants to deal with this type of idiocy and darkness all day? But I think it could be more effective if properly done than banning as far as changing minds and hearts, especially before people get sucked too far down echo chambers and start seeing the world in a way it really isn't. Other people, smart people, articulate people, right there calling out wrongness, calling out stupidity, calling out misunderstanding, giving counterpoints, arguing for right action, this might be a more effective way to damp down the extremism.
- dd36 7y agoThe ideologues are already very well hardened. White supremacy isn’t a new ideology.
- mythrwy 7y agoSo we make more laws and rules which we hope we can actually enforce and hope the baddies dissipate into the ether? Chase them from reddit to 4-chan to 8-chan then have cloudflare ban 8-chan and proclaim "mission accomplished!"? I'm just saying I think the effective way to fix this is by breaking the echo chamber. With argument and knowledge and guidance and wit and mockery and whatever we have. Young males of this primate species need guidance and leadership and direction. They need answers. They are a pack dog really. Without someone there personally spanking them verbally when they get out line they apparently devolve into feral internet packs. But nobody (understandably) wants to deal with them nor put up with their abuse and trash, so they coagulate into places they can find direction and meaning. That is what I think needs to be addressed. Not trying to stamp out places, which I doubt will work long term. Nor most especially encouraging them to self filter into these packs.
- MrRadar 7y agoFurthermore, leaving it out in the open allows it to spread. There's good evidence that "de-platforming" is highly effective at preventing the spread of hate.