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> We wouldn't tolerate the existence of an Islamist site that glorified and helped perpetrate mass incidents of terror against our society. Speak for yourself,
by buildzr 7y ago
> We wouldn't tolerate the existence of an Islamist site that glorified and helped perpetrate mass incidents of terror against our society.
Speak for yourself, I would. I've downloaded and distributed ISIS propaganda videos before out of sheer intrigue.
Just because someone says something you don't like doesn't mean you should ban it. Of course, this will be downvoted to hell because this is a hot topic at the moment, but we shouldn't let that too-near emotion influence out policies. We've seen that lead to stuff like the PATRIOT act in the past and we surely don't need another one of those.
- pavel_lishin 7y agoWhy?
- bradhe 7y agoweird flex but ok
- chacha2 7y agoOut of all the internet contrarian arguments Ive seen this is one of the best.
- vowelless 7y agoThat’s one way to get onto a list.
- DrDimension 7y agoIsn't it funny how every post here that argues against censorship is being down-voted to the point of invisibility? To me, it goes to show that there is no limit to the censorial impulse. That should tell you something.
- komali2 7y agoThis isn't censorship, it's someone being shown the door.
- DrDimension 7y agoHow Orwellian of you. Who taught you to be so dishonest?
- dang 7y agoWould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments? Personal attacks, in particular, will get you banned here, so please don't do that again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- komali2 7y agoWhat's the point of accusing me of lying? Either take my argument at face value or don't bother replying.
- mieseratte 7y ago> This isn't censorship, it's someone being shown the door. Are you a moderator?
- komali2 7y agoNo. Must I be to show someone the community's proverbial door? The point was downvotes. That's how the HN community shows someone the door. HN itself shows someone the door by banning them.
- mieseratte 7y ago> No. Must I be to show someone the community's proverbial door? Speaking for the whole site like that comes off as rather pompous. Not to mention the comment is now "in the black" on points, so it's not even clear that the community even agrees with you.
- komali2 7y agoAre we talking about the comment? The one I'm talking about is flagged/dead. Yea, I wouldn't pretend to speak for the community - for some reason our OP insinuated I do by asking if I'm a moderator. What I'm trying to say is that a negative karma post has been shown the door by the community. That statement remains true from my perspective regardless if I upvoted, downvoted, or did not engage with that comment.
- vernie 7y agoDamn that's cool as hell. Maybe you have some balisong tricks you'd also like to show me?
- davidgay 7y agoAt a guess, you don't belong to, or have friends in, groups ISIS believes deserve to be put to death.
- anigbrowl 7y agoI've downloaded OK and distributed ISIS propaganda videos Do elaborate on your motives for and style of distribution.
- sb057 7y agoNot him, but I would do it because I can.
- anigbrowl 7y agoWell, that could mean anything.
- 3131s 7y agoI mean this seriously, more Americans should see what those ISIS videos are like. More Americans should read the writings of Osama bin Laden too. It's not that this material isn't horrendous, but it's very different from what you'd expect -- the people behind it are not dumb, and like all good propaganda the rationale is selectively built on compelling facts.
- a254613e 7y ago> Speak for yourself, I would. I've downloaded and distributed ISIS propaganda videos before out of sheer intrigue. It will be downvoted because it's INSANE, not because it's a hot topic. ISIS propaganda isn't banned for the fun of it or because "too near emotions influencing policies", it's banned for the effect that it casuses, the intention it has, and the attorcities it shows. There's a difference between supporting free speech and you spreading around videos of murders, executions of innocent people who have families, and calls for more murders of innocent people all over the world. Just because those things don't make you want to kill someone, doesn't change the fact that they do help radicalize other people.
- megla_ 7y ago> it's banned for the effect that it casuses, the intention it has, and the attorcities it shows. What rational person will see an ISIS video and go: "Hmm this looks good, guess I should join ISIS".
- arrrg 7y agoPeople aren’t rational. And many will.
- a254613e 7y agoWhen he distributed the content he didn't pick only the rational ones. Many people did exactly that, joining ISIS, traveling to Syria, doing terrorist attacks in their own countries. They didn't get the ideas to do that out of the blue, without seeing or hearing any of the propaganda content.
- buildzr 7y agoWell, let's be clear, I simply downloaded a torrent and let it seed for a while. You seem strongly opinionated on this one though, I'm curious, what do you think of Tor or BitTorrent? Should such services be banned as they aid in the distribution of this type of thing too? If you're running a Tor middle node you're part of the distribution of not just all sorts of propaganda like this, but far, far worse things. Do you think banning these services, reigning in control of information to "help prevent radicalization" in a China-esque way would be a good decision? In my view this is just part of living in a free society, freedom sometimes costs security.