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> It reminds me a lot of Charlottesville, where people showed up to try to shout over the white nationalists and it just ended up with a bunch of people getting

> It reminds me a lot of Charlottesville, where people showed up to try to shout over the white nationalists and it just ended up with a bunch of people getting run over by a car. As if something like that happening wasn't entirely predictable. Wait, what are you trying to say here? That these people deserved to get run over because they dared to shout at white nationalists??

Alex3917 7y ago
I'm saying that I think allowing people to DDOS 8chan will result in more violence.
- chachachoney 7y ago
  >> I'm saying that I think allowing people to DDOS 8chan will result in more violence. Violence happens because these people follow a hateful, violent ideology whose specific articulated intent is to deprive others of liberty, life, and land. People looking for excuses to be violent will find them. Also, refusing to provide commercial DDOS mitigation technologies to hostile entities is not the same as "allowing people to DDOS" them.
- FireBeyond 7y ago
  So we should allow them to have their way, and we should enlist third party private entities to mandate assistance be provided?
  - Alex3917 7y ago
    CloudFlare is providing a basic service that the government should be providing itself. If colleges need to guarantee first amendment rights since they are partially government funded, and the Internet itself is partially government funded, then I think there is a decent case for the government being required to provide a public solution for mitigating DDOS attacks if the market can't sort it out.
VectorLock 7y ago
I've seen this line being trotted out by people supporting 8chan and their ilk a lot lately. "If you censor them they'll get even more violent." Regardless of your opinions on free speech, it sounds to me that cutting off the hub for these groups to network, encourage, indoctrinate and manipulate is much more likely to reduce violence than incite it.

Alex3917 7y ago

I'm saying that I think allowing people to DDOS 8chan will result in more violence.

chachachoney 7y ago
>> I'm saying that I think allowing people to DDOS 8chan will result in more violence. Violence happens because these people follow a hateful, violent ideology whose specific articulated intent is to deprive others of liberty, life, and land. People looking for excuses to be violent will find them. Also, refusing to provide commercial DDOS mitigation technologies to hostile entities is not the same as "allowing people to DDOS" them.
FireBeyond 7y ago
So we should allow them to have their way, and we should enlist third party private entities to mandate assistance be provided?
- Alex3917 7y ago
  CloudFlare is providing a basic service that the government should be providing itself. If colleges need to guarantee first amendment rights since they are partially government funded, and the Internet itself is partially government funded, then I think there is a decent case for the government being required to provide a public solution for mitigating DDOS attacks if the market can't sort it out.

VectorLock 7y ago

I've seen this line being trotted out by people supporting 8chan and their ilk a lot lately. "If you censor them they'll get even more violent." Regardless of your opinions on free speech, it sounds to me that cutting off the hub for these groups to network, encourage, indoctrinate and manipulate is much more likely to reduce violence than incite it.