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Every time I've talked to AWS Recruiters they've belittled by past experience and just generally made me feel bad about my career. I will never ever work there,

Every time I've talked to AWS Recruiters they've belittled by past experience and just generally made me feel bad about my career. I will never ever work there, no matter how cool their tech stack must be.

_q1cj 7y ago
I can tell you from experience, the internal Amazon stack is not cool or inventive.
- ryanmarsh 7y ago
  If anything it’s scary. From what I’ve heard software engineering practices at AWS leave much to be desired.
  - algaeontoast 7y ago
    Yep, it's almost as much've a shit-storm as Amazon's internal tools - which are rife with errors and pushed by Amazonians because "open source is shit" (verbatim from a lead engineer).
    - greyskull 7y ago
      That seems a bit inflammatory. Anecdotally most of the people I've interacted with especially like open source. My team is increasing our involvement in the open source projects we use. A lot of the internal tooling is due to legacy and inertia. There's 20+ years of history, and so much has been built and continues to be built that it's enormous investment to steer a different direction. Incremental improvements have higher reward ratio. But people do want better a better development experience, especially w.r.t. idiomatic language tooling. That being said, initiatives are brewing for that "enormous investment".
- SteveNuts 7y ago
  Certain things must be pretty cool/groundbreaking though. Just watching things like Youtube videos about how VPC works is pretty amazing. I won't let that blind me to the fact that the company seems pretty toxic.
- delecti 7y ago
  The best part of the internal Amazon stack is the relative consistency across the company. Not that every team is using the same thing, but it's a reasonable assumption that whatever particular combination of things you're using, someone else probably is too. It makes it really easy to work around the sharp corners present in any stack. Additionally, basically everything is internal-only or AWS, so the people who developed the tech stack are all just an internal search away. That said, I've done just fine without that benefit since moving on.
- dehrmann 7y ago
  That can be a good thing.
technofiend 7y ago
When talking to someone at Amazon he remarked "You guys on wall street take a year to do what we do in a quarter." Five years ago that was a fair indictment, based on my current deadlines I'm not sure it's true any more. :-) P.S. I'm not complaining or humblebragging. I just enjoy the hell out of what I do and I've seen first hand a lot of institutional barriers fall over the last few years.
mnm1 7y ago
Almost all their tech products are garbage. How cool can the internal tech stack be? They can't even produce decent tech products that don't require a giant team of AWS experts and constant tech support to work. And then there's the random bugs that make it hard to know if it's just a regular shitty product or you've hit a crazy bug. AWS is the worst part of my job, hands down. I wish they never existed. I'd rather be on a VPS somewhere or even putting in hardware servers in a coloc.
fkdo 7y ago
Yes. I remember AWS asked about the size of the databases I have worked with in the past, and then negged me when it was smaller than their databases. Of course the databases I worked with were smaller, they deal with some of the largest in the world.
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_q1cj 7y ago

I can tell you from experience, the internal Amazon stack is not cool or inventive.

ryanmarsh 7y ago
If anything it’s scary. From what I’ve heard software engineering practices at AWS leave much to be desired.
- algaeontoast 7y ago
  Yep, it's almost as much've a shit-storm as Amazon's internal tools - which are rife with errors and pushed by Amazonians because "open source is shit" (verbatim from a lead engineer).
  - greyskull 7y ago
    That seems a bit inflammatory. Anecdotally most of the people I've interacted with especially like open source. My team is increasing our involvement in the open source projects we use. A lot of the internal tooling is due to legacy and inertia. There's 20+ years of history, and so much has been built and continues to be built that it's enormous investment to steer a different direction. Incremental improvements have higher reward ratio. But people do want better a better development experience, especially w.r.t. idiomatic language tooling. That being said, initiatives are brewing for that "enormous investment".
SteveNuts 7y ago
Certain things must be pretty cool/groundbreaking though. Just watching things like Youtube videos about how VPC works is pretty amazing. I won't let that blind me to the fact that the company seems pretty toxic.
delecti 7y ago
The best part of the internal Amazon stack is the relative consistency across the company. Not that every team is using the same thing, but it's a reasonable assumption that whatever particular combination of things you're using, someone else probably is too. It makes it really easy to work around the sharp corners present in any stack. Additionally, basically everything is internal-only or AWS, so the people who developed the tech stack are all just an internal search away. That said, I've done just fine without that benefit since moving on.
dehrmann 7y ago
That can be a good thing.

technofiend 7y ago

When talking to someone at Amazon he remarked "You guys on wall street take a year to do what we do in a quarter." Five years ago that was a fair indictment, based on my current deadlines I'm not sure it's true any more. :-) P.S. I'm not complaining or humblebragging. I just enjoy the hell out of what I do and I've seen first hand a lot of institutional barriers fall over the last few years.

mnm1 7y ago

Almost all their tech products are garbage. How cool can the internal tech stack be? They can't even produce decent tech products that don't require a giant team of AWS experts and constant tech support to work. And then there's the random bugs that make it hard to know if it's just a regular shitty product or you've hit a crazy bug. AWS is the worst part of my job, hands down. I wish they never existed. I'd rather be on a VPS somewhere or even putting in hardware servers in a coloc.

fkdo 7y ago

Yes. I remember AWS asked about the size of the databases I have worked with in the past, and then negged me when it was smaller than their databases. Of course the databases I worked with were smaller, they deal with some of the largest in the world.

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