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I'm always amazed at how right wingers are all "property rights, property rights". And when something like this happens, they quickly switch from demanding that

I'm always amazed at how right wingers are all "property rights, property rights". And when something like this happens, they quickly switch from demanding that the property rights of CloudFlare be observed, to "free speech, free speech" concerning the conservatives on 8chan.

bsagdiyev 7y ago
That's a large brush you're using to paint a group of individuals. I think I would be considered conservative by a lot of the more liberal types here but think that CloudFlare is within their rights to do what they want.
Ajedi32 7y ago
In this case, "property rights", as you put it are at odds with free speech. I don't think it would be ideologically inconsistent to believe that free speech trumps property rights in cases where the two principles conflict. I also think there's a lot more nuance to this situation than you seem to be implying. I very much doubt there are a significant number of people ("right wingers" or otherwise) who believe property rights are the most important concern in all situations, nor are there many who believe in an absolute right to Free Speech at any cost. (The constitution itself allows for narrow exceptions for both of those rights.)
- x86_64Ubuntu 7y ago
  So CloudFlare gets absolutely no say in what they host and serve on their private property because of "Free Speech"?
  - Ajedi32 7y ago
    Maybe. We've already banned companies from discriminating on the basis of race. Would a limited ban on telecommunications infrastructure companies discriminating on the basis of ideology really be all that bad? If anything, it would certainly free those companies from having to act as arbiters of moral truth.
    - zzzcpan 7y ago
      That would be great, but sadly the companies are not doing it out of their own free will, they are pushed by the government in some way to do that. And so far legislations around the world only move in a direction to make that government involvement more explicit, not enforce more freedom.
whenchamenia 7y ago
I am far left and thing free speech is the underpinning of any successful democracy. Your bias betrays you.

bsagdiyev 7y ago

That's a large brush you're using to paint a group of individuals. I think I would be considered conservative by a lot of the more liberal types here but think that CloudFlare is within their rights to do what they want.

Ajedi32 7y ago

In this case, "property rights", as you put it are at odds with free speech. I don't think it would be ideologically inconsistent to believe that free speech trumps property rights in cases where the two principles conflict. I also think there's a lot more nuance to this situation than you seem to be implying. I very much doubt there are a significant number of people ("right wingers" or otherwise) who believe property rights are the most important concern in all situations, nor are there many who believe in an absolute right to Free Speech at any cost. (The constitution itself allows for narrow exceptions for both of those rights.)

x86_64Ubuntu 7y ago
So CloudFlare gets absolutely no say in what they host and serve on their private property because of "Free Speech"?
- Ajedi32 7y ago
  Maybe. We've already banned companies from discriminating on the basis of race. Would a limited ban on telecommunications infrastructure companies discriminating on the basis of ideology really be all that bad? If anything, it would certainly free those companies from having to act as arbiters of moral truth.
  - zzzcpan 7y ago
    That would be great, but sadly the companies are not doing it out of their own free will, they are pushed by the government in some way to do that. And so far legislations around the world only move in a direction to make that government involvement more explicit, not enforce more freedom.

whenchamenia 7y ago

I am far left and thing free speech is the underpinning of any successful democracy. Your bias betrays you.