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by vdm 7y ago

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kube-system 7y ago
Guns have existed for hundreds of years. Why is this just becoming a problem recently?
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  Copycat syndrome. The terrorists and the crazies in the 20th century seemed to prefer bombs for causing mass panic. There haven't been many bombings in the past 20yr except by "professional" terrorist organizations. Seems like shootings are more popular now. That said, I haven't been keeping a list so I may be wrong.
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    After 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing, it became harder to get the materials for bombs. Bullets did not become harder to obtain in the same way. So the method of choice for causing mass panic moved to shooting.
    - DuskStar 7y ago
      And so after someone gets their way with a national gun ban (and somehow magically that makes the guns go away), people will switch to UHaul. Or arson.
- deathlocke 7y ago
  The sheer amount of guns owned by American civilians compared with the rest of the world is staggering, and, maybe not so coincidentally, so is the amount of gun related homicide. [0] The fact remains that even you in your comment called it a problem. Guns and gun ownership are the common denominator when it comes to mass shootings, and very little, if anything, is being done about it. [0] - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081
  - DuskStar 7y ago
    Why does California - a state with one of the lowest gun ownership rates, and extremely restrictive gun laws - have so many mass shootings, then? The relationship you're proposing (more gun owners means more mass shootings) doesn't seem to hold within the US.
    - deathlocke 7y ago
      That's true when you're looking at a statistic like guns per capita [0]. When you're talking about number of registered guns, however, the only state with more guns than California is Texas, which falls at number 3 on the list of states with the most mass shootings [1]. I do still believe that having more guns around does tend to lead to more mass shootings, along with other forms of gun related homicide. [0] - https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-percentage-of-state-populations-3325153 https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-percentage-of-state-pop... [1] - https://www.statista.com/statistics/811541/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/811541/mass-shootings-in...
      - DuskStar 7y ago
        Your link 0 is absolutely ludicrous. That 21 guns per capita in Texas would mean ~600 million guns in Texas ALONE out of the ~400 million total in the US. And you're right that these things should be counted per capita, but that still doesn't explain how Texas has a far higher gun ownership rate, 30% less population than California.... And HALF the mass shootings.
        deathlocke 7y ago
        Just to clarify because my link 0 "guns per capita" was a bit misleading. It's actually per 1,000 people, not 1. Link to more original source [0]. Quick maths: 21 guns p/capita divided by 1,000 people = 0.021 * 28 million (pop of Texas) = ~588,000 guns. Your observation about Texas is very interesting, and I don't have an answer for that. Texas might have, historically, a better gun culture? In any case, having half the mass shootings as another state is still a number greater than zero, which remains the ultimate goal. [0] - https://huntingmark.com/gun-ownership-stats/#_ftn1%20 https://huntingmark.com/gun-ownership-stats/#_ftn1%20
- HillaryBriss 7y ago
  mass violent behavior has been around for a long time e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_amok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_amok
- RickJWagner 7y ago
  Guns are part of the problem, but not even close to the entire solution. And guns are so ingrained in American lifestyle that they're not going away. I like the fact that common factors are being found. Maybe flags can be raised and preventative actions taken, including temporarily moving guns out of reach of the at-risk individual.
  - tripzilch 7y ago
    > guns are so ingrained in American lifestyle that they're not going away then neither are the mass shootings. that's that.

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by vdm 7y ago

guns

kube-system 7y ago

Guns have existed for hundreds of years. Why is this just becoming a problem recently?

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
Copycat syndrome. The terrorists and the crazies in the 20th century seemed to prefer bombs for causing mass panic. There haven't been many bombings in the past 20yr except by "professional" terrorist organizations. Seems like shootings are more popular now. That said, I haven't been keeping a list so I may be wrong.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  After 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing, it became harder to get the materials for bombs. Bullets did not become harder to obtain in the same way. So the method of choice for causing mass panic moved to shooting.
  - DuskStar 7y ago
    And so after someone gets their way with a national gun ban (and somehow magically that makes the guns go away), people will switch to UHaul. Or arson.
deathlocke 7y ago
The sheer amount of guns owned by American civilians compared with the rest of the world is staggering, and, maybe not so coincidentally, so is the amount of gun related homicide. [0] The fact remains that even you in your comment called it a problem. Guns and gun ownership are the common denominator when it comes to mass shootings, and very little, if anything, is being done about it. [0] - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081
- DuskStar 7y ago
  Why does California - a state with one of the lowest gun ownership rates, and extremely restrictive gun laws - have so many mass shootings, then? The relationship you're proposing (more gun owners means more mass shootings) doesn't seem to hold within the US.
  - deathlocke 7y ago
    That's true when you're looking at a statistic like guns per capita [0]. When you're talking about number of registered guns, however, the only state with more guns than California is Texas, which falls at number 3 on the list of states with the most mass shootings [1]. I do still believe that having more guns around does tend to lead to more mass shootings, along with other forms of gun related homicide. [0] - https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-percentage-of-state-populations-3325153 https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-percentage-of-state-pop... [1] - https://www.statista.com/statistics/811541/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/811541/mass-shootings-in...
    - DuskStar 7y ago
      Your link 0 is absolutely ludicrous. That 21 guns per capita in Texas would mean ~600 million guns in Texas ALONE out of the ~400 million total in the US. And you're right that these things should be counted per capita, but that still doesn't explain how Texas has a far higher gun ownership rate, 30% less population than California.... And HALF the mass shootings.
      - deathlocke 7y ago
        Just to clarify because my link 0 "guns per capita" was a bit misleading. It's actually per 1,000 people, not 1. Link to more original source [0]. Quick maths: 21 guns p/capita divided by 1,000 people = 0.021 * 28 million (pop of Texas) = ~588,000 guns. Your observation about Texas is very interesting, and I don't have an answer for that. Texas might have, historically, a better gun culture? In any case, having half the mass shootings as another state is still a number greater than zero, which remains the ultimate goal. [0] - https://huntingmark.com/gun-ownership-stats/#_ftn1%20 https://huntingmark.com/gun-ownership-stats/#_ftn1%20
HillaryBriss 7y ago
mass violent behavior has been around for a long time e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_amok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_amok
RickJWagner 7y ago
Guns are part of the problem, but not even close to the entire solution. And guns are so ingrained in American lifestyle that they're not going away. I like the fact that common factors are being found. Maybe flags can be raised and preventative actions taken, including temporarily moving guns out of reach of the at-risk individual.
- tripzilch 7y ago
  > guns are so ingrained in American lifestyle that they're not going away then neither are the mass shootings. that's that.