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None of the above mentions race. Unless you want to define any territorial conflict between 2 sides as always based on race, when race is only incidental to ot

by gspetr 7y ago

None of the above mentions race. Unless you want to define any territorial conflict between 2 sides as always based on race, when race is only incidental to other differences. The Rwandan genocide was same race, but different ethnicities. By modern standards, the crusades could also be called racist instead of mostly religious in nature.

dragonwriter 7y ago
> The Rwandan genocide was same race, but different ethnicities. The idea that “race” is anything other than a set of broad-focus ethnic labels is itself racist in the narrow sense and “racism” in modern common usage encompasses racial bigotry as well as bigotry based around the perceived significance of the classical races or things labelled “races” distinct from ethnicities by the actors involved; though, often, the actors involved in which bigotry do explicit use the language of race even when talking about groupings that, say, Americans see as “ethnic” as distinct from “racial”, because conceptions of what categories are “races” is quite fluid and usually (including in the model applied by the US government, which is far from globally universal) not limited to the classical Negroid, Mongoloid, and Caucausoid races.
- gspetr 7y ago
  I agree with your point, but there's also a further nuance, as people can, and often do really stretch the definition as long as it fits their agenda. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cnn-white-hispanic_n_3588744 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cnn-white-hispanic_n_3588744 "CNN is trying its hand at anthropology. In a case that highlights continuing confusion over how to define Latino ethnicity, the television news network has set off a controversy over its continued use of the term “white Hispanic” to describe George Zimmerman, the man whose killing of unarmed, black Florida teenager Trayvon Martin set off a national debate about the persistence and nature of racism."
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    “White Hispanic” (White “race” and Hispanic “ethnicity”) may be controversial and may be an example of someone stretching to fit an agenda, but if so it's the US government and not CNN, as it is the former which has and invented the two axis race plus ethnicity model in which there are a number of big racial groups with subdivisions, but the only ethnicities available are “Not Hispanic/Latino” and “Hispanic/Latino”. Anyone who has ever dealt with government forms collecting race/ethnicity data, including the census, has seen this. HuffPost characterizing this as CNN “trying its hand at anthropology” rather than CNN applying the standard government model is evidence of HuffPost distorting facts to suit an agenda, and not even in a way which stands up to casual scrutiny.

by gspetr 7y ago

dragonwriter 7y ago

> The Rwandan genocide was same race, but different ethnicities. The idea that “race” is anything other than a set of broad-focus ethnic labels is itself racist in the narrow sense and “racism” in modern common usage encompasses racial bigotry as well as bigotry based around the perceived significance of the classical races or things labelled “races” distinct from ethnicities by the actors involved; though, often, the actors involved in which bigotry do explicit use the language of race even when talking about groupings that, say, Americans see as “ethnic” as distinct from “racial”, because conceptions of what categories are “races” is quite fluid and usually (including in the model applied by the US government, which is far from globally universal) not limited to the classical Negroid, Mongoloid, and Caucausoid races.

gspetr 7y ago
I agree with your point, but there's also a further nuance, as people can, and often do really stretch the definition as long as it fits their agenda. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cnn-white-hispanic_n_3588744 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cnn-white-hispanic_n_3588744 "CNN is trying its hand at anthropology. In a case that highlights continuing confusion over how to define Latino ethnicity, the television news network has set off a controversy over its continued use of the term “white Hispanic” to describe George Zimmerman, the man whose killing of unarmed, black Florida teenager Trayvon Martin set off a national debate about the persistence and nature of racism."
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  “White Hispanic” (White “race” and Hispanic “ethnicity”) may be controversial and may be an example of someone stretching to fit an agenda, but if so it's the US government and not CNN, as it is the former which has and invented the two axis race plus ethnicity model in which there are a number of big racial groups with subdivisions, but the only ethnicities available are “Not Hispanic/Latino” and “Hispanic/Latino”. Anyone who has ever dealt with government forms collecting race/ethnicity data, including the census, has seen this. HuffPost characterizing this as CNN “trying its hand at anthropology” rather than CNN applying the standard government model is evidence of HuffPost distorting facts to suit an agenda, and not even in a way which stands up to casual scrutiny.