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> Imagine if real life utilities did this. You don't have to imagine it. Literally all of these things happen. Examples: - Utilities restricting or even cutti

by cletus 7y ago

> Imagine if real life utilities did this. You don't have to imagine it. Literally all of these things happen. Examples: - Utilities restricting or even cutting off crypto miners (eg [1]) - Your phone service has prohibited uses that will get your service disconnected (eg see Section 8, Use of the Service in [2]). - Getting water cut off is more difficult but not impossible, I imagine. Some places will cut you off for not paying your bill. Many don't as it's an essential service. I imagine if you resold a residential water supply for commercial purposes, you may well get cut off. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/nyregion/bitcoin-mining-new-york-electricity.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/nyregion/bitcoin-mining-n... [2] https://legal.hughesnet.com/VoiceServiceAgreement/index.cfm https://legal.hughesnet.com/VoiceServiceAgreement/index.cfm

rtkwe 7y ago
The issue in [1] in a lot of cases was that the region had such cheap electricity because they were buying a defined amount of electricity from a cheap source but had a very expensive rate for going over that amount so the BTC miners were coming in and massively inflating everyone's rates but not otherwise really contributing to the region economically, unlike the Alcoa plant that originally got them that low rate a BTC miner barely employees anyone locally.
Ajedi32 7y ago
Sure, but none of those have anything to do with the ideological beliefs of the person or organization they're providing service to. Those are all reasonable restrictions designed to prevent one customer from negatively impacting the quality of service the company provides to their other customers. What Cloudflare is doing here is a different thing entirely.
Pigo 7y ago
Something tells me online Antifa resources won't be affected just because one of their members committed a horrible atrocity in Dayton, OH shortly after El Paso.
- foozed 7y ago
  Don't know where you're getting this from. All sources i could find talk about a twitter account that _could_ belong to the Dayton, OH shooter, on which he _follows_ Antifa members. You gotta admit that's pretty far from the relation of 8chan to the El Paso shooter...
  - Pigo 7y ago
    My point is that no matter how an insane person is affiliated, I don't agree with using them to win political points. As much as I believe Antifa is a dangerous (see Andy Ngo), and how dangerous it is for people like Shaun King to be trying to incite violence, I don't agree with using tragedy that way. It's all but verified that the Dayton shooter was a fan of Elizabeth Warren, and active with Antifa. But the media isn't going to talk about how divisive it is declare the opposing side is running concentration camps, and basically modern Nazi. I'm actually glad they don't, but coming from the other direction it's non-stop. EDIT The downvote isn't supposed to be for a comment you disagree with, but for something that doesn't add to the conversation. Try writing a response instead.

by cletus 7y ago

rtkwe 7y ago

The issue in [1] in a lot of cases was that the region had such cheap electricity because they were buying a defined amount of electricity from a cheap source but had a very expensive rate for going over that amount so the BTC miners were coming in and massively inflating everyone's rates but not otherwise really contributing to the region economically, unlike the Alcoa plant that originally got them that low rate a BTC miner barely employees anyone locally.

Ajedi32 7y ago

Sure, but none of those have anything to do with the ideological beliefs of the person or organization they're providing service to. Those are all reasonable restrictions designed to prevent one customer from negatively impacting the quality of service the company provides to their other customers. What Cloudflare is doing here is a different thing entirely.

Pigo 7y ago

Something tells me online Antifa resources won't be affected just because one of their members committed a horrible atrocity in Dayton, OH shortly after El Paso.

foozed 7y ago
Don't know where you're getting this from. All sources i could find talk about a twitter account that _could_ belong to the Dayton, OH shooter, on which he _follows_ Antifa members. You gotta admit that's pretty far from the relation of 8chan to the El Paso shooter...
- Pigo 7y ago
  My point is that no matter how an insane person is affiliated, I don't agree with using them to win political points. As much as I believe Antifa is a dangerous (see Andy Ngo), and how dangerous it is for people like Shaun King to be trying to incite violence, I don't agree with using tragedy that way. It's all but verified that the Dayton shooter was a fan of Elizabeth Warren, and active with Antifa. But the media isn't going to talk about how divisive it is declare the opposing side is running concentration camps, and basically modern Nazi. I'm actually glad they don't, but coming from the other direction it's non-stop. EDIT The downvote isn't supposed to be for a comment you disagree with, but for something that doesn't add to the conversation. Try writing a response instead.