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What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? It should be blindingly obvious: when they spread extremism and terrorism like a virus, there’s plenty wrong. It might m

What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? It should be blindingly obvious: when they spread extremism and terrorism like a virus, there’s plenty wrong. It might make the tiniest bit of sense if we were collectively able to do something preventative about mass murders before they happened by using that “insight”. That certainly does not seem to be happening. No, I think the time is coming where white supremacist manifestos and the like should be actively stamped out by society.

coldtea 7y ago
>What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? It should be blindingly obvious: when they spread extremism and terrorism like a virus, there’s plenty wrong. Yeah, a state that is constantly in war(s), paints the target countries du jour as the enemy building racism against their citizens, tolerates torture and police shootings (letting officers that do that shit free), and is obsessed with violence and gun ownership, suddenly is worried about "spreading extremism".
- king_magic 7y ago
  So let’s open the floodgates because some things are wrong in the world? Nah, no thanks.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    No, "let's fix the way worse systemic things helping breed, nurture, and arm wackos, and then you can decide about them posting on some board".
    - king_magic 7y ago
      We’re doing a bang-up job of fixing those “way worse systemic things”. How’s that working out?
      - coldtea 7y ago
        I guess that's sarcasm, since I don't see anybody doing any kind of job (much less a bang-up one) of fixing those "way worse systemic things". In light of this, worse than band-aids like "let's close the internet forums they frequent" is the new blaming heavy metal and computer games for mass shootings...
    - noob_slayer 7y ago
      Do you know how many different publishings of "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" Amazon sells? Or, how many libraries freely lend copies of those documents, whose authors have inspired or directly participated in the killing and torture of millions?
- FakeComments 7y ago
  Cars are more dangerous than US police officers, by a wide margin. Cars kill 30,000 people per year, or about 1 in 10,000 US citizens. Police stop about 20 million people a year, kill about 1000 in total and less than 100 wrongly (ie, when they’re unarmed and non-violent). That’s 1 in 20,000 for deaths total, and 1 in 200,000 (or better) for wrongful deaths. So as a US citizen, cops are twice as safe (once you’ve been stopped!) as cars are — and twenty times as safe as cars, if you’re not in the habit of drawing a weapon when confronted by police. Total exposure, rather than just once you’ve been stopped, is an order of magnitude safer. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp15_sum.pdf https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp15_sum.pdf
- bart_spoon 7y ago
  Surely there is a name for this kind of logical fallacy? That a country is flawed because of "X" means that they can't be correct about "Y"? It also assumes a homogeneity among the population about all of those issues, which clearly isn't the case.
- rrss 7y ago
  The United States is not homogeneous, and the current government does not reflect the will of 100% of the people. It is entirely possible for one fraction of the population to be concerned about spreading extremism while another fraction does as you describe. If you assume that the people of a nation stand in line behind those in charge, you will be continually surprised.
repolfx 7y ago
So are you in favour of hunting down every copy of Mein Kampf and burning them? What about all the other things said by Hitler? What about Stalin? What about non-white supremacist manifestos? They do exist, you know. How much history would you erase due to your belief that words are capable of 'infecting' (presumably) lesser minds? There's no evidence that manifestos spread "extremism and terrorism like a virus". Words are not able to infect people against their will. There are only ideas, and they can only be fought with reflection, more words and more ideas. In the end, white supremacists and other kinds of supremacists existed before the internet. By supporting China-style censorship you're not actually eliminating those ideas, or even stopping their spread.
- king_magic 7y ago
  > Words are not able to infect people against their will. ... are you kidding?
  - BillyBadA 7y ago
    Your Jedi mind tricks will not work on me.
  - whiteopinions 7y ago
    If you have to ask that, then you don't know what forum you're on. It's a very real opinion and one that gets acted on politically.
    - king_magic 7y ago
      If you think words can’t infect people, you’re kidding yourself. And yes, I know exactly what forum I’m on.
      - whiteopinions 7y ago
        I know they can infect people. It was a ridiculous statement
  - 7y ago
BillyBadA 7y ago
"What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? It should be blindingly obvious: when they spread extremism and terrorism like a virus, there’s plenty wrong." Mein Kapmf is still published and is available online as well. I'm sure most people would agree that the view expressed by it's author were pretty extreme. No you keep that stuff up so you can show the world what a waste of space the author was and learn from it.

coldtea 7y ago

>What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? It should be blindingly obvious: when they spread extremism and terrorism like a virus, there’s plenty wrong. Yeah, a state that is constantly in war(s), paints the target countries du jour as the enemy building racism against their citizens, tolerates torture and police shootings (letting officers that do that shit free), and is obsessed with violence and gun ownership, suddenly is worried about "spreading extremism".

king_magic 7y ago
So let’s open the floodgates because some things are wrong in the world? Nah, no thanks.
- coldtea 7y ago
  No, "let's fix the way worse systemic things helping breed, nurture, and arm wackos, and then you can decide about them posting on some board".
  - king_magic 7y ago
    We’re doing a bang-up job of fixing those “way worse systemic things”. How’s that working out?
    - coldtea 7y ago
      I guess that's sarcasm, since I don't see anybody doing any kind of job (much less a bang-up one) of fixing those "way worse systemic things". In light of this, worse than band-aids like "let's close the internet forums they frequent" is the new blaming heavy metal and computer games for mass shootings...
  - noob_slayer 7y ago
    Do you know how many different publishings of "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" Amazon sells? Or, how many libraries freely lend copies of those documents, whose authors have inspired or directly participated in the killing and torture of millions?
FakeComments 7y ago
Cars are more dangerous than US police officers, by a wide margin. Cars kill 30,000 people per year, or about 1 in 10,000 US citizens. Police stop about 20 million people a year, kill about 1000 in total and less than 100 wrongly (ie, when they’re unarmed and non-violent). That’s 1 in 20,000 for deaths total, and 1 in 200,000 (or better) for wrongful deaths. So as a US citizen, cops are twice as safe (once you’ve been stopped!) as cars are — and twenty times as safe as cars, if you’re not in the habit of drawing a weapon when confronted by police. Total exposure, rather than just once you’ve been stopped, is an order of magnitude safer. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp15_sum.pdf https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp15_sum.pdf
bart_spoon 7y ago
Surely there is a name for this kind of logical fallacy? That a country is flawed because of "X" means that they can't be correct about "Y"? It also assumes a homogeneity among the population about all of those issues, which clearly isn't the case.
rrss 7y ago
The United States is not homogeneous, and the current government does not reflect the will of 100% of the people. It is entirely possible for one fraction of the population to be concerned about spreading extremism while another fraction does as you describe. If you assume that the people of a nation stand in line behind those in charge, you will be continually surprised.

repolfx 7y ago

So are you in favour of hunting down every copy of Mein Kampf and burning them? What about all the other things said by Hitler? What about Stalin? What about non-white supremacist manifestos? They do exist, you know. How much history would you erase due to your belief that words are capable of 'infecting' (presumably) lesser minds? There's no evidence that manifestos spread "extremism and terrorism like a virus". Words are not able to infect people against their will. There are only ideas, and they can only be fought with reflection, more words and more ideas. In the end, white supremacists and other kinds of supremacists existed before the internet. By supporting China-style censorship you're not actually eliminating those ideas, or even stopping their spread.

king_magic 7y ago
> Words are not able to infect people against their will. ... are you kidding?
- BillyBadA 7y ago
  Your Jedi mind tricks will not work on me.
- whiteopinions 7y ago
  If you have to ask that, then you don't know what forum you're on. It's a very real opinion and one that gets acted on politically.
  - king_magic 7y ago
    If you think words can’t infect people, you’re kidding yourself. And yes, I know exactly what forum I’m on.
    - whiteopinions 7y ago
      I know they can infect people. It was a ridiculous statement
- 7y ago

BillyBadA 7y ago

"What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? It should be blindingly obvious: when they spread extremism and terrorism like a virus, there’s plenty wrong." Mein Kapmf is still published and is available online as well. I'm sure most people would agree that the view expressed by it's author were pretty extreme. No you keep that stuff up so you can show the world what a waste of space the author was and learn from it.