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I love how everybody is having a cow over a website where the rhetoric isn't really all that much worse than a 'mainstream' site like twitter. For example in tw

I love how everybody is having a cow over a website where the rhetoric isn't really all that much worse than a 'mainstream' site like twitter. For example in twitter you can find guys who call for children to be fed into wood chippers because they wear Maga hats and hundreds/thousands of people including corporate accounts like Burger King cheering assaulting people. And they almost all receive absolutely no punishment. And not a single one of all the sensitive bearded men pouring their hearts out in righteous fury at 8chan here seem to care. And I'm pretty sure a ton of killers use twitter. When I was a child I used to think the ideals of freedom of expression were ingrained in this society. But apparently all it takes is the MSM running a few hitpieces and the 'intellectuals' are all 'lol 1st Amendment technically applying to government means it is not only permitted but great that all censorship is now offloaded to megacorporate oligarchies! fuck free speech!'

voidwtf 7y ago
You can put together a pointed argument for freedom of expression being tainted, however your username and comment history paint the picture of someone who’s not exactly down with free expression and individuality. I always find it interesting to try to understand a persons viewpoint and put their comments in context of that viewpoint when I see comments like this. Sometimes That little look teaches me something about my own biases, sometimes it just reveals another’s.
- cybersnowflake 7y ago
  I think I've been ideologically consistent but feel free to continue looking and post any examples where I'm against freedom of speech and individuality. *note when I say freedom of speech and expression I don't necessarily mean unreasonable forced accommodation and celebration and there is a bit of nuance in my opinions IE I might draw a line between megacorp oligarchies making it virtually impossible to have an opinion heard and 1/1000000000000000000000000000x10^graham's number cake shops not necessarily wanting to bake a ssm cake
  - voidwtf 7y ago
    I didn’t intend to imply that you weren’t consistent. I think that consistency to ones beliefs is a positive thing. I just hope that change is possible when faced with evidence that may contradict ones beliefs. What I intended to imply is that your comment history appears to align with sympathizing with right of center while sarcastically deriding left of center. I think that knowing that colors your comment differently than if your comment history were more neutral in its expressions. There is nothing wrong with that really. I have my own biases and you have your own biases. I for one believed in completely free and unrestricted speech at one point. However, I’ve come to realize that the tongue can be as sharp as the sword. Hate speech, relentless bullying, and suggesting violent actions towards others have little place in a civilized society. Of course there are degrees of each, and there is the problem of ‘definition’. Who defines what qualifies for the aforementioned and what the severity is can have chilling effects. Still the problem remains, and I don’t disagree with you entirely. Why should Facebook, Twitter, or any other ubiquitous stage for discourse get to define what is and isn’t appropriate speech? We as a society have created these massive soapboxes yet utterly failed at remaining civil. A modern day tragedy of commons.
dijit 7y ago
I'm not an 8chan user, in fact, I am not a fan of the chans. I'm also not a fan of Twitter, and for similar underlying reasons. On the chans it feels like everything is a joke of a joke, you're not 100% able to tell if someone is saying something intentionally stupid/rude to elicit a response. Coupled with the anonymous nature of the platform, and you can assume that it's one or two people trolling a thread and put it out of your mind. Because of that, you end up with the contra of mainstream opinion. And, yeah, it might have the ability to galvanise and individual (both for and against the rhetoric, because many people reject, powerfully, that kind of rhetoric and become champions of the other side). I find the exact opposite is true of twitter. Instead of assuming it's one or two people who are trolling with the extreme of a mainstream opinion, it's -obviously- a mob, many people with verified badges are quick to jump on people for "wrongthink" and are exceedingly happy to extol their virtues and denounce the non-virtuous. Often they get so reinforced by their following that they become cancerous to the cause and have the same effect as the 4channers and 8channers (causing people to be galvanised for, and against their cause). I see twitter and 4/8chan as two sides of the same coin, causing division in society.
- have_faith 7y ago
  Not everything on the chans is a joke which is why they like to pretend that it is. It's basic obfuscation. Very often, a long running joke will pick up genuine ardent supporters and the original joke becomes lost or forgotten. It's a peculiar process to watch. The chans relationship with social media like Twitter is like Agent Smith is to Neo, a balancing of the equation. Twitter for instance has become so emotionally charged and blood hungry that any opposition to the rhetoric has become equally as charged. It's very dangerous when full-time contrarians become martyrs. Like yourself, I just try and keep my distance from it all and observe from a distance.
bmurphy1976 7y ago
Well your wrong in that some of us do in fact think Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube amongst others should be held accountable for not only allowing this stuff, but also promoting it (whether intentional or not). CloudFlare made the decision to drop 8chan thus this discussion is about that. That should be no surprise.
watwut 7y ago
This is just not true. Twitter puts way more effort into blocking and controlling what goes on its platform then "we like living on the edge" 8chan. At this point, there was community that kept scores and celebrated shoot outs. At this point, even original 8chan creator called to close 8chan.
- cybersnowflake 7y ago
  Oh so 8chan indeed moderates but not enough? Whats enough moderation by your standard and why should we go with that and not a more lenient one? So we should not only censor direct threats of violence we should also censor allegedly 'celebratory' posts that don't include a threat at all? Do you have any scientific proof that simply 'celebratory' posts cause violence too? Or are we just removing them because they're disgusting? You are aware that bad actors can and probably have come to stir up shit on 8chan to take it down right? Are you going to shut down a whole site because of these few people and they don't have the resources for all the whizbang algorithms that big sites like twitter uses to quickly remove posts but leave up tons of violent leftwing posts nobody care about? PS 8chan for the most part is hardly edgey. There are a few eccentric groups in the subboards like all communities but in away its actually more like how the old internet used to be before, everything right of communism was 'far right'.

voidwtf 7y ago

You can put together a pointed argument for freedom of expression being tainted, however your username and comment history paint the picture of someone who’s not exactly down with free expression and individuality. I always find it interesting to try to understand a persons viewpoint and put their comments in context of that viewpoint when I see comments like this. Sometimes That little look teaches me something about my own biases, sometimes it just reveals another’s.

cybersnowflake 7y ago
I think I've been ideologically consistent but feel free to continue looking and post any examples where I'm against freedom of speech and individuality. *note when I say freedom of speech and expression I don't necessarily mean unreasonable forced accommodation and celebration and there is a bit of nuance in my opinions IE I might draw a line between megacorp oligarchies making it virtually impossible to have an opinion heard and 1/1000000000000000000000000000x10^graham's number cake shops not necessarily wanting to bake a ssm cake
- voidwtf 7y ago
  I didn’t intend to imply that you weren’t consistent. I think that consistency to ones beliefs is a positive thing. I just hope that change is possible when faced with evidence that may contradict ones beliefs. What I intended to imply is that your comment history appears to align with sympathizing with right of center while sarcastically deriding left of center. I think that knowing that colors your comment differently than if your comment history were more neutral in its expressions. There is nothing wrong with that really. I have my own biases and you have your own biases. I for one believed in completely free and unrestricted speech at one point. However, I’ve come to realize that the tongue can be as sharp as the sword. Hate speech, relentless bullying, and suggesting violent actions towards others have little place in a civilized society. Of course there are degrees of each, and there is the problem of ‘definition’. Who defines what qualifies for the aforementioned and what the severity is can have chilling effects. Still the problem remains, and I don’t disagree with you entirely. Why should Facebook, Twitter, or any other ubiquitous stage for discourse get to define what is and isn’t appropriate speech? We as a society have created these massive soapboxes yet utterly failed at remaining civil. A modern day tragedy of commons.

dijit 7y ago

I'm not an 8chan user, in fact, I am not a fan of the chans. I'm also not a fan of Twitter, and for similar underlying reasons. On the chans it feels like everything is a joke of a joke, you're not 100% able to tell if someone is saying something intentionally stupid/rude to elicit a response. Coupled with the anonymous nature of the platform, and you can assume that it's one or two people trolling a thread and put it out of your mind. Because of that, you end up with the contra of mainstream opinion. And, yeah, it might have the ability to galvanise and individual (both for and against the rhetoric, because many people reject, powerfully, that kind of rhetoric and become champions of the other side). I find the exact opposite is true of twitter. Instead of assuming it's one or two people who are trolling with the extreme of a mainstream opinion, it's -obviously- a mob, many people with verified badges are quick to jump on people for "wrongthink" and are exceedingly happy to extol their virtues and denounce the non-virtuous. Often they get so reinforced by their following that they become cancerous to the cause and have the same effect as the 4channers and 8channers (causing people to be galvanised for, and against their cause). I see twitter and 4/8chan as two sides of the same coin, causing division in society.

have_faith 7y ago
Not everything on the chans is a joke which is why they like to pretend that it is. It's basic obfuscation. Very often, a long running joke will pick up genuine ardent supporters and the original joke becomes lost or forgotten. It's a peculiar process to watch. The chans relationship with social media like Twitter is like Agent Smith is to Neo, a balancing of the equation. Twitter for instance has become so emotionally charged and blood hungry that any opposition to the rhetoric has become equally as charged. It's very dangerous when full-time contrarians become martyrs. Like yourself, I just try and keep my distance from it all and observe from a distance.

bmurphy1976 7y ago

Well your wrong in that some of us do in fact think Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube amongst others should be held accountable for not only allowing this stuff, but also promoting it (whether intentional or not). CloudFlare made the decision to drop 8chan thus this discussion is about that. That should be no surprise.

watwut 7y ago

This is just not true. Twitter puts way more effort into blocking and controlling what goes on its platform then "we like living on the edge" 8chan. At this point, there was community that kept scores and celebrated shoot outs. At this point, even original 8chan creator called to close 8chan.

cybersnowflake 7y ago
Oh so 8chan indeed moderates but not enough? Whats enough moderation by your standard and why should we go with that and not a more lenient one? So we should not only censor direct threats of violence we should also censor allegedly 'celebratory' posts that don't include a threat at all? Do you have any scientific proof that simply 'celebratory' posts cause violence too? Or are we just removing them because they're disgusting? You are aware that bad actors can and probably have come to stir up shit on 8chan to take it down right? Are you going to shut down a whole site because of these few people and they don't have the resources for all the whizbang algorithms that big sites like twitter uses to quickly remove posts but leave up tons of violent leftwing posts nobody care about? PS 8chan for the most part is hardly edgey. There are a few eccentric groups in the subboards like all communities but in away its actually more like how the old internet used to be before, everything right of communism was 'far right'.