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Was it stolen Tatra, or Nazi military vehicle?

mosselman 7y ago
I tried finding out about Ferdinand Porsche some more and I doubt he needed to steal a design for a car, seeing as he has had a highly successful career as an automobile engineer after the war, even winning the 'Car Engineer of the Century' (according to Wikipedia). That is not saying that he didn't steal anything, but I am saying that he had a certain ability. Also, the line between inspiration and stealing in creative pursuits is quite thin. The 'Nazi' part of your remark does make sense as a valid critique. Then again, many innovations have come out of war and he did go to prison. Although on Wikipedia we can read: > The innovative 4WD design never raced, but the money it received was used to redeem Ferdinand Porsche from prison. It feels odd that you can redeem yourself out of prison for taking part in some of humanity's worst crimes. Then again, there are recent examples of horrific crimes against humanity that go unpunished in order to make profits as well, so it is the norm apparently.
- jaclaz 7y ago
  I don't know, of course, but the Typ12 was created (just) before the Tatra V570 (second prototype, the first looked very different): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Type_12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Type_12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_V570 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_V570 and it seems like both Porsche and Ledwinka worked at Steyr so it is very possible that some earlier Ledwinka project at Steyr "inspired" Porsche, and possibly also viceversa, in any case they had very similar education and experience in overlapping years. I find more probable that this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ledwinka#Volkswagen_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ledwinka#Volkswagen_contr... > In any case, of Ledwinka, Porsche admitted "Well, sometimes I looked over his shoulder and sometimes he looked over mine" is actually accurate.
rasz 7y ago
yes, its based on stolen Tatra V570, legally settled in 1965 "Porsche 64, also known as the Type 64 and Type 60K10 ... "60K10" means body design 10 for the Type-60 Beetle."

I tried finding out about Ferdinand Porsche some more and I doubt he needed to steal a design for a car, seeing as he has had a highly successful career as an automobile engineer after the war, even winning the 'Car Engineer of the Century' (according to Wikipedia). That is not saying that he didn't steal anything, but I am saying that he had a certain ability. Also, the line between inspiration and stealing in creative pursuits is quite thin. The 'Nazi' part of your remark does make sense as a valid critique. Then again, many innovations have come out of war and he did go to prison. Although on Wikipedia we can read: > The innovative 4WD design never raced, but the money it received was used to redeem Ferdinand Porsche from prison. It feels odd that you can redeem yourself out of prison for taking part in some of humanity's worst crimes. Then again, there are recent examples of horrific crimes against humanity that go unpunished in order to make profits as well, so it is the norm apparently.

jaclaz 7y ago
I don't know, of course, but the Typ12 was created (just) before the Tatra V570 (second prototype, the first looked very different): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Type_12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Type_12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_V570 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_V570 and it seems like both Porsche and Ledwinka worked at Steyr so it is very possible that some earlier Ledwinka project at Steyr "inspired" Porsche, and possibly also viceversa, in any case they had very similar education and experience in overlapping years. I find more probable that this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ledwinka#Volkswagen_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ledwinka#Volkswagen_contr... > In any case, of Ledwinka, Porsche admitted "Well, sometimes I looked over his shoulder and sometimes he looked over mine" is actually accurate.

rasz 7y ago

yes, its based on stolen Tatra V570, legally settled in 1965 "Porsche 64, also known as the Type 64 and Type 60K10 ... "60K10" means body design 10 for the Type-60 Beetle."