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> Removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It’s not your role to address the “why”. As
by sagichmal 7y ago
> Removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online.
It’s not your role to address the “why”. As a platform you’re only obliged to deal with the “what” and the “how”.
They now have one less platform to choose from, and their ability to do whatever it is they do is reduced. That’s a win, because wins don’t need to be absolute to count.
- wbl 7y agoCloudflare wasn't hosting them. NT technologies was, and still is.
- selectodude 7y agoYeah but now they can be DDoS’d.
- toomuchtodo 7y agoPunishable as a federal crime (Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, or 18 U.S.C. §1030).
- cududa 7y agoYeah a prosecutor is definitely going to try that case lol
- toomuchtodo 7y agoProsecutors plea bargain slam dunk cases all the time.
- tedivm 7y agoDDoSes are rarely prosecuted as the perpetrators are rarely caught. This is even more true when the DDoS is done by large groups of people (such as the scientology attacks a decade or so ago). Further, 8chan is run in the Philippines, which would add a lot of complications to any prosecution
- wbl 7y agoThe computer is in SF. CFAA applies and the US has jurisdiction.
- cududa 7y agoYou watch too much Law and Order SVU.
- sampo 7y agoIf you think vigilance internet justice is a solution to America's gun problem, you Americans are very deluded.
- whenchamenia 7y agoYup. Just widening the divide.
- anigbrowl 7y agoTrue but between DDOS and murder I'm gonna say a jury will prefer the DDOS.
- busymom0 7y agoThey will find another CDN. Piratebay and others have been around for ages.
- sagichmal 7y agoThat's fine. They won't be using Cloudflare, one less option for them. That's worth doing.
- agumonkey 7y agoMay create a cascading effect where less and less CDNs will accept them.
- sagichmal 7y agoLet's hope.
- PunchTornado 7y agokeep hoping. daily stormer is still online like nothing happened
- dx034 7y agoPiratebay is still using Cloudflare.
- ipython 7y agoIsn’t the DDoS a form of free speech though? At the risk of being uber pedantic, on the internet, speech is reduced to packet delivery from source to destination. Therefore, one could make an argument that DDoS protection is in itself stifling free speech?
- tdxcbkifxx 7y agoNot even close
- jlgaddis 7y agoIn the same way that punching someone in the face is "speech", yeah. In the U.S., at least, one is free to argue any number of ignorant things -- and often does.
- joshuamorton 7y agoWhat differentiates the speechy bytes from the punchy bytes?
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- sagichmal 7y agoHosting is an inexact but entirely acceptable term of art for the services that are provided by a CDN.
- breakingcups 7y agoExactly. To the outside world, for all intents and purposes Cloudflare was their host. Cloudflare's IP addresses served 8chan's content, even held it on their local drives. I don't care (and neither should anyone else) that their primary source of truth was internally hosted elsewhere. Cloudflare often tries to skirt definitions and would love to be seen as a neutral utility, a simple carrier. They're not though. 8chan was their customer. They hosted their DNS, served their content and potentially took their money (I don't know whether 8chan was on their free plan or not, but again that doesn't matter).
- adrr 7y agoI bet 8chan was on the free plan.