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The company I work for definitely hires people who are not a "culture fit" and our company is better for it. People who bring different perspective make your pr
by sixothree 7y ago
The company I work for definitely hires people who are not a "culture fit" and our company is better for it. People who bring different perspective make your products stronger.
- phaedryx 7y agoHuh, what would you say your company's culture is and why don't the people fit?
- sixothree 7y agoWhy the down-vote? Is it that hard to imagine?
- chrisseaton 7y agoThe person replying to you isn’t necessarily the person down-voting you so don’t take it out on them!
- sixothree 7y agoYou are right.
- mhluongo 7y agoThen you have a loose, inclusive culture- right? That's not the case everywhere
- sixothree 7y agoI'm proud of the people who are and have been a part of our team. For such a small company we do fairly well. And although there's little managers can do about it, we like to stay aware of cliques too. They are so corrosive. I believe that plays into what is described as "fit" as well.
- cwyers 7y agoI think the word "culture" is overloaded, such that it's really hard to talk about and you can make it mean whatever you want, but there's a use for it that I don't know a better way to describe in a word. Yes, there is "culture fit" in terms of things that don't matter, and where it does good to push a company outside of a comfort zone in order to get the best people and new perspectives. But at a certain point, you need to get alignment between what work you find rewarding/fulfilling/exciting and what work a company tends to recognize and reward. This essay I think gets at the heart of it: http://yosefk.com/blog/people-can-read-their-managers-mind.html http://yosefk.com/blog/people-can-read-their-managers-mind.h... If you are a programmer, which kind of organization do you think you would tend to want to work at, all things being equal: one where the organization's culture is set by people who come from programming backgrounds or sales backgrounds? It's not the same answer as if you were a salesperson. (And of course, there are programmers who probably prefer the culture at a place driven by salespeople, and vice versa. And you can start to think about why that might be.) As an employee, what a good culture fit means is "someplace that values and rewards the things I want to be doing." As an employer, a good culture fit is someone who responds well to the incentives you have in place for them. Sometimes, cultures are just objectively bad; anywhere that judges programmers by how many lines of code they write alone is establishing perverse incentives. But sometimes cultures are not better or worse objectively, just different. Some people work better in a research culture and some people work better in a product culture, for instance. That's fine. But that's where finding out if you and an employee are a culture fit can benefit both parties, not just be an excuse to hire only people you like. It's not about beliefs, it's about what work is valued and how it's valued.
- Double_Cast 7y agoAnother point of alignment is social protocols. The point of a protocol is commonality. "let's agree to disagree" isn't a solution.