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What causes the much higher incidence of homelessness in males compared to females?

watwut 7y ago
They are more likely to fit into risk factor profile: more likely to have mental disease. They are more likely to be veterans. More likely to be addicted addictions or disabled. Also more likely to be violent or aggressive and thus kicked from legit places to live. More likely to have criminal record. The whole "on average men take their aggression against others women again themselves" in this aspect hurt men more. Some of the above are related to each other, obviously.
- belorn 7y ago
  So many myths. In order: "Overall rates of psychiatric disorder are almost identical for men and women" - https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/genderwomen/en/ https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/genderwomen/en/ "Women are just as likely as men to develop a substance use disorder". - Anthony JC, Warner LA, Kessler RC. Comparative epidemiology of dependence on tobacco, alcohol, controlled substances, and inhalants "But when subsequent surveys asked who struck first, it turned out that women were as likely as men to initiate violence—a finding confirmed by more than 200 studies of intimate violence" - https://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm https://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm The only wholy true points is that men tend to be more likely veterans, for which accounts for 10% of the homeless, and more likely criminals, but the majority of offenses for which they are arrested are for public intoxication, followed by theft/shoplifting, violation of city ordinances, and burglary. "The findings challenge the depiction of homeless men as serious predatory criminals, and suggest a number of theoretical and policy implications." - https://www.jstor.org/stable/3096817?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents https://www.jstor.org/stable/3096817?seq=1#page_scan_tab_con...
  - watwut 7y ago
    1.) Interesting that you changed violence to intimate violence. As if there were equal number of women killing people (it is not) or being gang members (nope violent gangs are not dome kind of equality panacea). As if women were equally likely to get into fight in bars, clubs, schools you name it. Whether biological or social, men are more likely to be violent. And they are more likely to cause higher damage due to bigger strength. 2.) Crime record makes it harder to find housing and job and access social services. That includes shoplifting and other similar records. 3.) And of course, you use study that casts addiction so wide, that it is compeletely irrelevant. Smoking is not relevant addiction to homelessness. Here is study about substances - you used last sentence of paragraph, but it is preceeded by: Men are more likely than women to use almost all types of illicit drugs,13 and illicit drug use is more likely to result in emergency department visits or overdose deaths for men than for women. "Illicit" refers to use of illegal drugs, including marijuana (according to federal law) and misuse of prescription drugs. For most age groups, men have higher rates of use or dependence on illicit drugs and alcohol than do women. However, women are just as likely as men to develop a substance use disorder. So like, totally.
    - belorn 7y ago
      Substance disorder, as practically all studies show, has very little to do with the actually drug being misused. Causes for substance abuse is often cited in research as genetic markers, environmental factors like childhood trauma and a lack of peer and family support, mental health, and stress with low access to stress management. With crime it should be no surprise that public intoxication and violation of city ordinances is more common for homeless people. If we account for social economical status then theft, burglary, and shoplifting make also sense. If more men than women are homeless than those numbers will correlate accordingly, but say nothing about why people become homeless. The initial claim is that men were more "violent or aggressive". If you want to make a claim that men are charged more often than women for murder or being in a violent gang then go ahead, but when it comes to initiating aggression or violence both women and men are fundamentally equal. The idea that men are inherently aggressive and violent while women inherently meek and passive is nothing but gender stereotyping, and that may be a reason for difference in homelessness.
      - watwut 7y ago
        > Substance disorder, as practically all studies show, has very little to do with the actually drug being misused. 1.) But like, when it comes to homelessness, you looking like junkie and acting like junkie is what gets you eventually kicked out. Illegal drugs is what matter. Not whether you fall under substance disorder due to smoking. 2.) Non-homeless males are more likely to get criminal record. It is exact reason that makes housing for males with criminal record harder to find. 3.) Third, no it is not just that males are more likely to be charged while kills being the same for both genders. Males kill more people. Males get into fights more often. It does not matter whether it is inherent or something that happens due to socialization. It does not matter that majority of men are not violent at all and not aggressive. What does matter is that there is subset who are like that and those are more likely to end homeless.

They are more likely to fit into risk factor profile: more likely to have mental disease. They are more likely to be veterans. More likely to be addicted addictions or disabled. Also more likely to be violent or aggressive and thus kicked from legit places to live. More likely to have criminal record. The whole "on average men take their aggression against others women again themselves" in this aspect hurt men more. Some of the above are related to each other, obviously.

belorn 7y ago
So many myths. In order: "Overall rates of psychiatric disorder are almost identical for men and women" - https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/genderwomen/en/ https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/genderwomen/en/ "Women are just as likely as men to develop a substance use disorder". - Anthony JC, Warner LA, Kessler RC. Comparative epidemiology of dependence on tobacco, alcohol, controlled substances, and inhalants "But when subsequent surveys asked who struck first, it turned out that women were as likely as men to initiate violence—a finding confirmed by more than 200 studies of intimate violence" - https://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm https://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm The only wholy true points is that men tend to be more likely veterans, for which accounts for 10% of the homeless, and more likely criminals, but the majority of offenses for which they are arrested are for public intoxication, followed by theft/shoplifting, violation of city ordinances, and burglary. "The findings challenge the depiction of homeless men as serious predatory criminals, and suggest a number of theoretical and policy implications." - https://www.jstor.org/stable/3096817?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents https://www.jstor.org/stable/3096817?seq=1#page_scan_tab_con...
- watwut 7y ago
  1.) Interesting that you changed violence to intimate violence. As if there were equal number of women killing people (it is not) or being gang members (nope violent gangs are not dome kind of equality panacea). As if women were equally likely to get into fight in bars, clubs, schools you name it. Whether biological or social, men are more likely to be violent. And they are more likely to cause higher damage due to bigger strength. 2.) Crime record makes it harder to find housing and job and access social services. That includes shoplifting and other similar records. 3.) And of course, you use study that casts addiction so wide, that it is compeletely irrelevant. Smoking is not relevant addiction to homelessness. Here is study about substances - you used last sentence of paragraph, but it is preceeded by: Men are more likely than women to use almost all types of illicit drugs,13 and illicit drug use is more likely to result in emergency department visits or overdose deaths for men than for women. "Illicit" refers to use of illegal drugs, including marijuana (according to federal law) and misuse of prescription drugs. For most age groups, men have higher rates of use or dependence on illicit drugs and alcohol than do women. However, women are just as likely as men to develop a substance use disorder. So like, totally.
  - belorn 7y ago
    Substance disorder, as practically all studies show, has very little to do with the actually drug being misused. Causes for substance abuse is often cited in research as genetic markers, environmental factors like childhood trauma and a lack of peer and family support, mental health, and stress with low access to stress management. With crime it should be no surprise that public intoxication and violation of city ordinances is more common for homeless people. If we account for social economical status then theft, burglary, and shoplifting make also sense. If more men than women are homeless than those numbers will correlate accordingly, but say nothing about why people become homeless. The initial claim is that men were more "violent or aggressive". If you want to make a claim that men are charged more often than women for murder or being in a violent gang then go ahead, but when it comes to initiating aggression or violence both women and men are fundamentally equal. The idea that men are inherently aggressive and violent while women inherently meek and passive is nothing but gender stereotyping, and that may be a reason for difference in homelessness.
    - watwut 7y ago
      > Substance disorder, as practically all studies show, has very little to do with the actually drug being misused. 1.) But like, when it comes to homelessness, you looking like junkie and acting like junkie is what gets you eventually kicked out. Illegal drugs is what matter. Not whether you fall under substance disorder due to smoking. 2.) Non-homeless males are more likely to get criminal record. It is exact reason that makes housing for males with criminal record harder to find. 3.) Third, no it is not just that males are more likely to be charged while kills being the same for both genders. Males kill more people. Males get into fights more often. It does not matter whether it is inherent or something that happens due to socialization. It does not matter that majority of men are not violent at all and not aggressive. What does matter is that there is subset who are like that and those are more likely to end homeless.