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I use Library Genesis for a lot of academic books I definitely wouldn't buy—I need like one chapter or to take some notes, then have little further need for the

by asark 7y ago

I use Library Genesis for a lot of academic books I definitely wouldn't buy—I need like one chapter or to take some notes, then have little further need for them, and they're usually $50-150 and still expensive or hard to find on the used market, so somewhat out of my worth-purchasing-for-convenience range—but would otherwise have to track them down on interlibrary loan then wait for them to show up.

buboard 7y ago
Most academic book authors (of books that are a collection of articles) don't get paid for their work - or rather their payment is just 1-2 copies of the book. So you should not feel guilt for pirating them.
- Myrmornis 7y ago
  Libgen is not just "academic" books. Every single commercial textbook and programming book, for example, is on there. Many of those authors do in fact engage in those multiple-year-long writing projects in the expectation of remuneration. Do you think no O'Reilly author wants royalties? Some of these people are literally professional writers. I don't think they'd appreciate you informing the world that you don't have to "feel guilt for pirating them". Scihub is completely different from Libgen in terms of ethics. No academic has ever written a manuscript for publication in a peer-reviewed journal because they were going to get paid for it. There is nothing whatsoever ethically problematic in accessing Elsevier's content on Scihub. Those journal articles should be free to the world, not least because the reasearch is often paid for by public funds. Do not confuse what I'm saying. I am not saying that I think Libgen is a bad thing. I am saying it is a difficult area from a moral/ethical/economic point of view. Scihub and Libgen are the most fantastic libraries the world has ever known. Literally. It seems pretty clear that making them available to someone in rural Angola is a good thing to do. I work in a highly developed country and it's slightly less clear that the anarchy should extend to benefit me, but honestly I'm happy that it does.
  - buboard 7y ago
    OK but parent was tslking about the kind of books i m talking about - Not O’Reilly books but springer books that are usually unpaid collections of reviews. They are usually very expensive and bundled with journals in library subscriptions
    - Myrmornis 7y ago
      Cool, yeah I know the sorts of books you mean. And agreed that the authors do not write those chapters in the expectation of royalties and agreed one shouldn't feel guilt in pirating them. But your post is at risk of being read out of context, as saying that libgen should be used without guilt, and there are people in this thread who seem almost to think that there are no ethical questions surrounding libgen, and who seem to think that libgen is ethically equivalent to scihub.
  - antisemiotic 7y ago
    >There is nothing whatsoever ethically problematic in accessing Elsevier's content on Scihub. Those journal articles should be free to the world, not least because the reasearch is often paid for by public funds. Just to add my 0.02$ as a soon-to-be-phd-dropout, I once downloaded my own paper from SciHub after I lost the stupid PDF and of course the publisher wouldn't let me get it for free. If anyone plans to assemble a torch and pitchfork mob, by all means let me know.

by asark 7y ago

buboard 7y ago

Most academic book authors (of books that are a collection of articles) don't get paid for their work - or rather their payment is just 1-2 copies of the book. So you should not feel guilt for pirating them.

Myrmornis 7y ago
Libgen is not just "academic" books. Every single commercial textbook and programming book, for example, is on there. Many of those authors do in fact engage in those multiple-year-long writing projects in the expectation of remuneration. Do you think no O'Reilly author wants royalties? Some of these people are literally professional writers. I don't think they'd appreciate you informing the world that you don't have to "feel guilt for pirating them". Scihub is completely different from Libgen in terms of ethics. No academic has ever written a manuscript for publication in a peer-reviewed journal because they were going to get paid for it. There is nothing whatsoever ethically problematic in accessing Elsevier's content on Scihub. Those journal articles should be free to the world, not least because the reasearch is often paid for by public funds. Do not confuse what I'm saying. I am not saying that I think Libgen is a bad thing. I am saying it is a difficult area from a moral/ethical/economic point of view. Scihub and Libgen are the most fantastic libraries the world has ever known. Literally. It seems pretty clear that making them available to someone in rural Angola is a good thing to do. I work in a highly developed country and it's slightly less clear that the anarchy should extend to benefit me, but honestly I'm happy that it does.
- buboard 7y ago
  OK but parent was tslking about the kind of books i m talking about - Not O’Reilly books but springer books that are usually unpaid collections of reviews. They are usually very expensive and bundled with journals in library subscriptions
  - Myrmornis 7y ago
    Cool, yeah I know the sorts of books you mean. And agreed that the authors do not write those chapters in the expectation of royalties and agreed one shouldn't feel guilt in pirating them. But your post is at risk of being read out of context, as saying that libgen should be used without guilt, and there are people in this thread who seem almost to think that there are no ethical questions surrounding libgen, and who seem to think that libgen is ethically equivalent to scihub.
- antisemiotic 7y ago
  >There is nothing whatsoever ethically problematic in accessing Elsevier's content on Scihub. Those journal articles should be free to the world, not least because the reasearch is often paid for by public funds. Just to add my 0.02$ as a soon-to-be-phd-dropout, I once downloaded my own paper from SciHub after I lost the stupid PDF and of course the publisher wouldn't let me get it for free. If anyone plans to assemble a torch and pitchfork mob, by all means let me know.