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Meh. Are you Brazilian or just a news reader?

by sprafa 7y ago

andrenth 7y ago
I am Brazilian.
- rbanffy 7y ago
  Isn't it great to know corruption has ended completely now that the previous party was removed?
  - andrenth 7y ago
    What’s your point? A corrupt party was removed by peoples’ votes. It’s how democracy works. Eventually people notice the stealing. Did I say that ended corruption? No, I said he won because people were tired of the previous party corrupt ways. That’s hardly controversial.
    - rbanffy 7y ago
      A "corrupt" party that could, but didn't, interfere with the largest corruption probe in Brazilian history was removed in a coup, replaced by a vice president from the party most involved in corruption scandals, allowing a farcical, inquisitorial investigation to jail a former president on thin "evidence" so that a neonazi (with a long history of low-level corruption and close ties with organized crime) could win an election... Yeah... That'll work...
      - marcio_rf 7y ago
        This false narrative of coupe and former president inocence is wrong on so many levels... it hurts to see it here
        rbanffy 7y ago
        Don't the leaked Telegram messages show a judge and the lead of the accusation conspiring, effectively denying defendants a fair trial?
        andrenth 7y ago
        Nope, they show nothing of that sort. It also has to be mentioned that the defendant has been convicted by three independent instances of the Brazilian justice system (local, regional and superior courts), each time unanimously.
        rbanffy 7y ago
        You forgot to put "independent" in quotes. Those were not separate trials, but rubber stamping the first one. Don't you think the judge privately advising the accusation without communicating the defense undermines the right to a fair trial?
        andrenth 7y ago
        > Those were not separate trials, but rubber stamping the first one. This is what you’d probably like to be true, due to political alignment or something; however, there isn’t any evidence whatsoever that that was the case. Do you really think multiple judges in the country’s higher courts would all, unanimously, simply rubber stamp the decision of a local judge? > Don't you think the judge privately advising the accusation without communicating the defense undermines the right to a fair trial? No, because the messages do not reveal anything remotely illegal. The Brazilian justice model admits communication between the judge and the accusation and defense, and none of the leaks have shown anything that can be described as harmful to the defense. And that is all assuming the messages have been faithfully reproduced; there’s strong indication they’ve been modified, for example when The Intercept published edited timelines and cited people who were not even part of the taskforce at the time.
- sprafa 7y ago
  If you’re Brazilian then you’ve made your own bed. I won’t criticise, because why would I. E sim meus pais e minha família são brasileiros. Portanto, boa sorte meu compadre. Se o Bolsonaro resolver algum problema no Brasil, que Deus abençoe o Fdp. Agora não acredito que o fará, particularmente na corrupção. E não estou dizendo que Haddad devia ter ganho. O Brasil é o que é e pouco me serve explicar o nosso país para gringo. Mas eu tento. Eu tento.
  - andrenth 7y ago
    I’m not sure why you wrote that in Portuguese. Bolsonaro has already done good things for Brazil. Violent crime is down more than 20% in 6 months. Particularly, murders are down 25%. Foreign criminals who were protected by the previous administrations are now being extradited. The economy is back on the growth track. A trade agreement with the EU was announced. The US have recognized Brazil as a major non-NATO ally. We’re about to join the OECD. Our interest rate is the lowest in history. The stock market is at historical highs. The government will sell many of its 400+ state-owned companies, reducing opportunity for corruption and saving billions of taxpayer money. Bureaucracy is being reduced by the Economic Freedom act. Unemployment is down. Minimum wage was raised on his first day in government. A decree that forbids confidential status in credit given by state banks, allowing them to be overseen by regulators, was signed in his first days. Bolsonaro was the first President in our history elected without money from big corporations or a slush fund. He’s also the first president to avoid nominating his cabinet in exchange for support in Congress. Even without buying Congress support, vital reforms are being passed. Government propaganda costs have been slashed by billions. Cuban doctors who were brought here under slave-like conditions have been replaced by Brazilian doctors. Eleven billion BRL that were supporting the Cuban dictatorship are now spent here. I could go on, but you get the point. A lot is being done, and it’s still his first year. You may call him an SOB but there’s no way to deny things are getting better by the day.
    - ameixaseca 7y ago
      "Brazil’s Murder Rate Finally Fell—and by a Lot. Bolsonaro will claim credit for the good news, but his policies may erase the country’s hard-won gains." https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/22/brazils-murder-rate-finally-fell-and-by-a-lot/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/22/brazils-murder-rate-fin... 15 seconds of Google and you can see how your first statement has little support. "Brazil govt to cut 2019 GDP growth forecast, eyes budget freezes" https://www.reuters.com/article/brazil-economy-forecasts/update-1-brazil-govt-to-cut-2019-gdp-growth-forecast-eyes-budget-freezes-idUSL2N2490FU https://www.reuters.com/article/brazil-economy-forecasts/upd... Now your second statement.. economy is growing again? Sure, less than expected, and aiming for budget cuts to meet forecasts? Privatizations to covert deficit? I could go on and on about the stuff you said, but I can clearly see by your "points" that you are deep into the whole "bolsonarismo" thing, so I'm not sure it's worth a big discussion. I suggest you to read more factual information and less propaganda to get informed. It will do a lot of good to you and everyone around you.

Meh. Are you Brazilian or just a news reader?

by sprafa 7y ago

Meh. Are you Brazilian or just a news reader?

andrenth 7y ago

I am Brazilian.

rbanffy 7y ago
Isn't it great to know corruption has ended completely now that the previous party was removed?
- andrenth 7y ago
  What’s your point? A corrupt party was removed by peoples’ votes. It’s how democracy works. Eventually people notice the stealing. Did I say that ended corruption? No, I said he won because people were tired of the previous party corrupt ways. That’s hardly controversial.
  - rbanffy 7y ago
    A "corrupt" party that could, but didn't, interfere with the largest corruption probe in Brazilian history was removed in a coup, replaced by a vice president from the party most involved in corruption scandals, allowing a farcical, inquisitorial investigation to jail a former president on thin "evidence" so that a neonazi (with a long history of low-level corruption and close ties with organized crime) could win an election... Yeah... That'll work...
    - marcio_rf 7y ago
      This false narrative of coupe and former president inocence is wrong on so many levels... it hurts to see it here
      - rbanffy 7y ago
        Don't the leaked Telegram messages show a judge and the lead of the accusation conspiring, effectively denying defendants a fair trial?
        andrenth 7y ago
        Nope, they show nothing of that sort. It also has to be mentioned that the defendant has been convicted by three independent instances of the Brazilian justice system (local, regional and superior courts), each time unanimously.
        rbanffy 7y ago
        You forgot to put "independent" in quotes. Those were not separate trials, but rubber stamping the first one. Don't you think the judge privately advising the accusation without communicating the defense undermines the right to a fair trial?
        andrenth 7y ago
        > Those were not separate trials, but rubber stamping the first one. This is what you’d probably like to be true, due to political alignment or something; however, there isn’t any evidence whatsoever that that was the case. Do you really think multiple judges in the country’s higher courts would all, unanimously, simply rubber stamp the decision of a local judge? > Don't you think the judge privately advising the accusation without communicating the defense undermines the right to a fair trial? No, because the messages do not reveal anything remotely illegal. The Brazilian justice model admits communication between the judge and the accusation and defense, and none of the leaks have shown anything that can be described as harmful to the defense. And that is all assuming the messages have been faithfully reproduced; there’s strong indication they’ve been modified, for example when The Intercept published edited timelines and cited people who were not even part of the taskforce at the time.
sprafa 7y ago
If you’re Brazilian then you’ve made your own bed. I won’t criticise, because why would I. E sim meus pais e minha família são brasileiros. Portanto, boa sorte meu compadre. Se o Bolsonaro resolver algum problema no Brasil, que Deus abençoe o Fdp. Agora não acredito que o fará, particularmente na corrupção. E não estou dizendo que Haddad devia ter ganho. O Brasil é o que é e pouco me serve explicar o nosso país para gringo. Mas eu tento. Eu tento.
- andrenth 7y ago
  I’m not sure why you wrote that in Portuguese. Bolsonaro has already done good things for Brazil. Violent crime is down more than 20% in 6 months. Particularly, murders are down 25%. Foreign criminals who were protected by the previous administrations are now being extradited. The economy is back on the growth track. A trade agreement with the EU was announced. The US have recognized Brazil as a major non-NATO ally. We’re about to join the OECD. Our interest rate is the lowest in history. The stock market is at historical highs. The government will sell many of its 400+ state-owned companies, reducing opportunity for corruption and saving billions of taxpayer money. Bureaucracy is being reduced by the Economic Freedom act. Unemployment is down. Minimum wage was raised on his first day in government. A decree that forbids confidential status in credit given by state banks, allowing them to be overseen by regulators, was signed in his first days. Bolsonaro was the first President in our history elected without money from big corporations or a slush fund. He’s also the first president to avoid nominating his cabinet in exchange for support in Congress. Even without buying Congress support, vital reforms are being passed. Government propaganda costs have been slashed by billions. Cuban doctors who were brought here under slave-like conditions have been replaced by Brazilian doctors. Eleven billion BRL that were supporting the Cuban dictatorship are now spent here. I could go on, but you get the point. A lot is being done, and it’s still his first year. You may call him an SOB but there’s no way to deny things are getting better by the day.
  - ameixaseca 7y ago
    "Brazil’s Murder Rate Finally Fell—and by a Lot. Bolsonaro will claim credit for the good news, but his policies may erase the country’s hard-won gains." https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/22/brazils-murder-rate-finally-fell-and-by-a-lot/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/22/brazils-murder-rate-fin... 15 seconds of Google and you can see how your first statement has little support. "Brazil govt to cut 2019 GDP growth forecast, eyes budget freezes" https://www.reuters.com/article/brazil-economy-forecasts/update-1-brazil-govt-to-cut-2019-gdp-growth-forecast-eyes-budget-freezes-idUSL2N2490FU https://www.reuters.com/article/brazil-economy-forecasts/upd... Now your second statement.. economy is growing again? Sure, less than expected, and aiming for budget cuts to meet forecasts? Privatizations to covert deficit? I could go on and on about the stuff you said, but I can clearly see by your "points" that you are deep into the whole "bolsonarismo" thing, so I'm not sure it's worth a big discussion. I suggest you to read more factual information and less propaganda to get informed. It will do a lot of good to you and everyone around you.