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EU shooting themselves in the foot with all these data rulings. Innovation will never happen there, US tech products will slowly suck the wealth out of European

EU shooting themselves in the foot with all these data rulings. Innovation will never happen there, US tech products will slowly suck the wealth out of European nations, much like China manufacturing sucked the wealth out of the us manufacturing sector.

qwsxyh 7y ago
I would vastly prefer the "US innovation" ideology to stay the fuck over there, and we keep our privacy rights.
hn_throwaway_99 7y ago
Or, just possibly, Americans will wise up that surveillance capitalism is a net negative in the long run.
- pixl97 7y ago
  Heh, as an American I only wish. Every day it seems like the surveillance of all kinds gets worse.
cced 7y ago
Do you have some sort of timeline for this “sucking of wealth from European nations”? What are some of the actions/consequences as you see them?
badsectoracula 7y ago
> Innovation will never happen there How does forbidding hostile user data harvesting means that innovation will never happen?
- deogeo 7y ago
  Less innovation in user-hostile practices, of course!
  - mokus 7y ago
    Unfortunately it probably means the opposite. Make it harder to track users and these companies will innovate in the area of user tracking.
    - Avamander 7y ago
      It will also cause innovation in user data protection though?
codysan 7y ago
I think you're putting too much weight behind the like button here. It will be replaced by something else or stripped down to a version without any identifying properties, which I see as a win-win.
tannhaeuser 7y ago
Needing consent for sending data to Fb is only consequential and consistent with the law's goals. It's been good practice on decent German sites for a long time to present social media buttons as greyed-out icons to indicate tracking code by those third parties is only embedded on the linked page.
- inetknght 7y ago
  Is that what being greyed out is supposed to convey? I thought it was just another UI design. It certainly does not convey that intuitively. Nothing's preventing Facebook from presenting greyed out versions of their icons, for example.
  - tannhaeuser 7y ago
    True. It's just been a convention on tech-related sites for their above-average privacy-aware audience.
- abraae 7y ago
  Interesting, I would have thought that one of the few UI conventions that is fairly universal is that buttons are greyed out if they are inactive. I'm certain that many people will never click a greyed out button for this reason.
  - tannhaeuser 7y ago
    Not quite greyed-out as in disabled. Not sure merely using a b/w logo without logotext will work out with today's flat designs and usage habits. I remember it being used when minimal design wasn't as common as today, and the icons would stand-out (or rather fade into the background).

qwsxyh 7y ago

I would vastly prefer the "US innovation" ideology to stay the fuck over there, and we keep our privacy rights.

hn_throwaway_99 7y ago

Or, just possibly, Americans will wise up that surveillance capitalism is a net negative in the long run.

pixl97 7y ago
Heh, as an American I only wish. Every day it seems like the surveillance of all kinds gets worse.

cced 7y ago

Do you have some sort of timeline for this “sucking of wealth from European nations”? What are some of the actions/consequences as you see them?

badsectoracula 7y ago

> Innovation will never happen there How does forbidding hostile user data harvesting means that innovation will never happen?

deogeo 7y ago
Less innovation in user-hostile practices, of course!
- mokus 7y ago
  Unfortunately it probably means the opposite. Make it harder to track users and these companies will innovate in the area of user tracking.
  - Avamander 7y ago
    It will also cause innovation in user data protection though?

codysan 7y ago

I think you're putting too much weight behind the like button here. It will be replaced by something else or stripped down to a version without any identifying properties, which I see as a win-win.

tannhaeuser 7y ago

Needing consent for sending data to Fb is only consequential and consistent with the law's goals. It's been good practice on decent German sites for a long time to present social media buttons as greyed-out icons to indicate tracking code by those third parties is only embedded on the linked page.

inetknght 7y ago
Is that what being greyed out is supposed to convey? I thought it was just another UI design. It certainly does not convey that intuitively. Nothing's preventing Facebook from presenting greyed out versions of their icons, for example.
- tannhaeuser 7y ago
  True. It's just been a convention on tech-related sites for their above-average privacy-aware audience.
abraae 7y ago
Interesting, I would have thought that one of the few UI conventions that is fairly universal is that buttons are greyed out if they are inactive. I'm certain that many people will never click a greyed out button for this reason.
- tannhaeuser 7y ago
  Not quite greyed-out as in disabled. Not sure merely using a b/w logo without logotext will work out with today's flat designs and usage habits. I remember it being used when minimal design wasn't as common as today, and the icons would stand-out (or rather fade into the background).