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Do you offer any engineer as a pair for the testing? Or can you except personal project codebase offers instead of the automated tests? Also don't you have an

Do you offer any engineer as a pair for the testing? Or can you except personal project codebase offers instead of the automated tests? Also don't you have an onsite technical interview process that you use to assess the candidates abilities which invalidates any need for online coding tests? If you can't answer yes to these questions. Unfortunately you are part of the problem.

Lunatic666 7y ago
Those algorithm test platforms are completely useless. I stopped using them long ago. No engineer I hire has to sort shit or filter out duplicates. I assume they know the sort functions in the language. I ask engineers with a blank GitHub to implement a small demo project which shouldn't take longer than 2-3h to finish and they have 2 weeks time (or actually as long as they need) to deliver. It gives me a lot of insight, I can see how people structure their code and if the code looks sloppy etc. You don't get a normal day at work result if you put people under pressure with these pseudo-hacker platforms. Most of the candidates have a life and I don't expect them to spend their evenings on some platform to impress potential new employers.
Lunatic666 7y ago
But I haven't answered your question precisely: We don't offer a pair, because we don't use the coding platforms. I'd say the homework counts about 80%, the following tech interview 20%. Of course I have to trust the candidates that they made the homework themselves, but if you don't start on a trust basis that would be a really bad starting point. There's still probation to make sure they're a good fit. I'm investing a lot more work into vetting when it's an overseas candidate compared to local, but mostly to make sure we don't put someone on the street, because I didn't do my job properly.
- fsniper 7y ago
  This process still doesn't cover my problems. I do have the experience, and have the code to show. Why would I be subject to a "homework"? This process objectively discriminate against people with enough age and experience, but don't have the time outside work. Even just not having the will to do a "homework" is an enough reason to pass. Are you hunting for young eager engineers who can put the most to self proving, or a diverse experience base? I am not suggesting anything against your process, but highlighting the shortcomings. I would probably pass your interview process directly.

Lunatic666 7y ago

Those algorithm test platforms are completely useless. I stopped using them long ago. No engineer I hire has to sort shit or filter out duplicates. I assume they know the sort functions in the language. I ask engineers with a blank GitHub to implement a small demo project which shouldn't take longer than 2-3h to finish and they have 2 weeks time (or actually as long as they need) to deliver. It gives me a lot of insight, I can see how people structure their code and if the code looks sloppy etc. You don't get a normal day at work result if you put people under pressure with these pseudo-hacker platforms. Most of the candidates have a life and I don't expect them to spend their evenings on some platform to impress potential new employers.

Lunatic666 7y ago

But I haven't answered your question precisely: We don't offer a pair, because we don't use the coding platforms. I'd say the homework counts about 80%, the following tech interview 20%. Of course I have to trust the candidates that they made the homework themselves, but if you don't start on a trust basis that would be a really bad starting point. There's still probation to make sure they're a good fit. I'm investing a lot more work into vetting when it's an overseas candidate compared to local, but mostly to make sure we don't put someone on the street, because I didn't do my job properly.

fsniper 7y ago
This process still doesn't cover my problems. I do have the experience, and have the code to show. Why would I be subject to a "homework"? This process objectively discriminate against people with enough age and experience, but don't have the time outside work. Even just not having the will to do a "homework" is an enough reason to pass. Are you hunting for young eager engineers who can put the most to self proving, or a diverse experience base? I am not suggesting anything against your process, but highlighting the shortcomings. I would probably pass your interview process directly.