> Absolutely, they are because the people who vote them in are as well. That's too simplistic. I get a choice of the red team, or the blue team, neither of wh

> Absolutely, they are because the people who vote them in are as well. That's too simplistic. I get a choice of the red team, or the blue team, neither of whom are much better than each other in this regard, but actually have a chance of being elected. I can vote for the yellow or green teams, but they haven't a hope in hell of forming a government. Maybe they'll soon be able to carry the balance of power. Not soon enough for me, so... Who do I vote for? Yet electors (in the UK) poll as seeing climate as more important than Brexit (66% IIRC), and that government should be taking far more substantial action, and across the political divide. n.b. Just about no one voted Cameron in to get a Brexit referendum - that was Tory internal shenanigans to manage their extreme fringe, and a fairly fringe issue until it got blown out of proportion. That fringe are now running the country, unelected, without manifesto. Or other countries where they elect whoever because the alternative made themselves unelectable, was too arrogant, complacent, or there was a scandal, etc. Hence the point about we are where we are - we can only start from there. Events will increasingly force the issue, regardless of the excuse(s) the business or politician wants to hide behind.