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Or you could pay Brasil to stop destroying it. That’s something the current president, as insidious as he might be, is correct about. Why does Brasil have to su

by sprafa 7y ago

Or you could pay Brasil to stop destroying it. That’s something the current president, as insidious as he might be, is correct about. Why does Brasil have to suffer alone for the world’s lungs? If the world benefits the world should pay.

wrong_variable 7y ago
Even brazilian breath oxygen. What "suffering" has the rest of the world done to brazil ?
- sprafa 7y ago
  Clearly you’re not a student of Brazilian history. Until 1988 Brasil lived under a CIA supported military dictatorship. I’m sure there are more examples of brutal Us intervention (same as there are in all of Latin America) but that’s the biggest one. Also look at this map https://medium.com/@indica/climate-winners-and-losers-in-two-maps-c89f17ef0a80?fbclid=IwAR1gff7oAyfhnAsgYPTBgojZJoH7mz0WHsEtxVul2zbwqFyt9ix7C3ZSN0c https://medium.com/@indica/climate-winners-and-losers-in-two... Brasil who is not one of the top contributors to climate change will be one of the most affected countries. Now they want to chop their forests for productive activities and they’re being climateblamed for first world activists. What I say to that - clean up your own house first. If you really want the amazon protected, pay for it by taxing your own carbon emissions. Brasil is going to suffer from your climate change activities, so it deserves compensation. TLDR- Brasil is getting fucked by climate change. So the answer to this idiot idea that Brasil should be paying for the world’s sin is - no, fuck you back. You want to absolve yourself of your sins, pay up.
  - boudewijnrempt 7y ago
    But Brazil also fucking itself... Talk about biting your head off to spite your nose.
    - sprafa 7y ago
      I won’t disagree with you there. Even this recent election of the neofascist Bolsonaro was essentially a self destructive act, very much grounded in identify politics (particularly anti-homosexual).
      - andrenth 7y ago
        No, it was a reaction to the previous years of corruption and economic destruction.
        sprafa 7y ago
        Meh. Are you Brazilian or just a news reader?
        andrenth 7y ago
        I am Brazilian.
        rbanffy 7y ago
        Isn't it great to know corruption has ended completely now that the previous party was removed?
        andrenth 7y ago
        What’s your point? A corrupt party was removed by peoples’ votes. It’s how democracy works. Eventually people notice the stealing. Did I say that ended corruption? No, I said he won because people were tired of the previous party corrupt ways. That’s hardly controversial.
        rbanffy 7y ago
        A "corrupt" party that could, but didn't, interfere with the largest corruption probe in Brazilian history was removed in a coup, replaced by a vice president from the party most involved in corruption scandals, allowing a farcical, inquisitorial investigation to jail a former president on thin "evidence" so that a neonazi (with a long history of low-level corruption and close ties with organized crime) could win an election... Yeah... That'll work...
- zekrioca 7y ago
  I will give you one example: 338 years of forced slavery.
  - meristem 7y ago
    Colonialism/Mercantilism by: Portugal, England, U.S.
mijamo 7y ago
Will Brazil also pay Sweden and Russia for their forest management? After all Brazilians also need to live in 100 years.
- sprafa 7y ago
  Sure. Countries that are vital to stopping climate change should be paid to by countries who are causing it. That’s how you mitigate the externality that’s going on.
  - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
    Aren't "countries that are vital to stopping climate change" and "countries who are causing it" the exact same people? They're vital to stopping it by discontinuing their harmful activities. And a tariff works as well as a subsidy, but is easier to get the party imposing it to enact because it generates revenue rather than consuming it.
    - sprafa 7y ago
      No, they’re not. Not necessarily. https://medium.com/@indica/climate-winners-and-losers-in-two-maps-c89f17ef0a80?fbclid=IwAR1gff7oAyfhnAsgYPTBgojZJoH7mz0WHsEtxVul2zbwqFyt9ix7C3ZSN0c https://medium.com/@indica/climate-winners-and-losers-in-two... Essentially countries that are causing climate are the industrialised world (obv.). Countries that are vital to stopping climate change because they have huge green areas, ie Brasil, are actually being heavily impacted by climate change and now they are being climateblamed by the first world for chopping down their forests for productive activities. Well if the first world wants the forest to stay they ought to pay for it. They also ought to drastically reduce their carbon emissions. It’s funny how the same citizen of the same countries who are not doing their share of reducing emissions (US) are claiming in the same breath that Brasil should be punished for destroying a forest the West is desperate to protect. Well then protect it - tax your corporations for carbon emissions and buy up the amazon to protect it. Simple.
      - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
codextremist 7y ago
Precise, couldn't agree more
rbanffy 7y ago
> Why does Brasil have to suffer alone for the world’s lungs? Because we all know Brazilians don't need oxygen to breathe.

by sprafa 7y ago

wrong_variable 7y ago

Even brazilian breath oxygen. What "suffering" has the rest of the world done to brazil ?

sprafa 7y ago
Clearly you’re not a student of Brazilian history. Until 1988 Brasil lived under a CIA supported military dictatorship. I’m sure there are more examples of brutal Us intervention (same as there are in all of Latin America) but that’s the biggest one. Also look at this map https://medium.com/@indica/climate-winners-and-losers-in-two-maps-c89f17ef0a80?fbclid=IwAR1gff7oAyfhnAsgYPTBgojZJoH7mz0WHsEtxVul2zbwqFyt9ix7C3ZSN0c https://medium.com/@indica/climate-winners-and-losers-in-two... Brasil who is not one of the top contributors to climate change will be one of the most affected countries. Now they want to chop their forests for productive activities and they’re being climateblamed for first world activists. What I say to that - clean up your own house first. If you really want the amazon protected, pay for it by taxing your own carbon emissions. Brasil is going to suffer from your climate change activities, so it deserves compensation. TLDR- Brasil is getting fucked by climate change. So the answer to this idiot idea that Brasil should be paying for the world’s sin is - no, fuck you back. You want to absolve yourself of your sins, pay up.
- boudewijnrempt 7y ago
  But Brazil also fucking itself... Talk about biting your head off to spite your nose.
  - sprafa 7y ago
    I won’t disagree with you there. Even this recent election of the neofascist Bolsonaro was essentially a self destructive act, very much grounded in identify politics (particularly anti-homosexual).
    - andrenth 7y ago
      No, it was a reaction to the previous years of corruption and economic destruction.
      - sprafa 7y ago
        Meh. Are you Brazilian or just a news reader?
        andrenth 7y ago
        I am Brazilian.
        rbanffy 7y ago
        Isn't it great to know corruption has ended completely now that the previous party was removed?
        andrenth 7y ago
        What’s your point? A corrupt party was removed by peoples’ votes. It’s how democracy works. Eventually people notice the stealing. Did I say that ended corruption? No, I said he won because people were tired of the previous party corrupt ways. That’s hardly controversial.
        rbanffy 7y ago
        A "corrupt" party that could, but didn't, interfere with the largest corruption probe in Brazilian history was removed in a coup, replaced by a vice president from the party most involved in corruption scandals, allowing a farcical, inquisitorial investigation to jail a former president on thin "evidence" so that a neonazi (with a long history of low-level corruption and close ties with organized crime) could win an election... Yeah... That'll work...
zekrioca 7y ago
I will give you one example: 338 years of forced slavery.
- meristem 7y ago
  Colonialism/Mercantilism by: Portugal, England, U.S.

mijamo 7y ago

Will Brazil also pay Sweden and Russia for their forest management? After all Brazilians also need to live in 100 years.

sprafa 7y ago
Sure. Countries that are vital to stopping climate change should be paid to by countries who are causing it. That’s how you mitigate the externality that’s going on.
- AnthonyMouse 7y ago
  Aren't "countries that are vital to stopping climate change" and "countries who are causing it" the exact same people? They're vital to stopping it by discontinuing their harmful activities. And a tariff works as well as a subsidy, but is easier to get the party imposing it to enact because it generates revenue rather than consuming it.
  - sprafa 7y ago
    No, they’re not. Not necessarily. https://medium.com/@indica/climate-winners-and-losers-in-two-maps-c89f17ef0a80?fbclid=IwAR1gff7oAyfhnAsgYPTBgojZJoH7mz0WHsEtxVul2zbwqFyt9ix7C3ZSN0c https://medium.com/@indica/climate-winners-and-losers-in-two... Essentially countries that are causing climate are the industrialised world (obv.). Countries that are vital to stopping climate change because they have huge green areas, ie Brasil, are actually being heavily impacted by climate change and now they are being climateblamed by the first world for chopping down their forests for productive activities. Well if the first world wants the forest to stay they ought to pay for it. They also ought to drastically reduce their carbon emissions. It’s funny how the same citizen of the same countries who are not doing their share of reducing emissions (US) are claiming in the same breath that Brasil should be punished for destroying a forest the West is desperate to protect. Well then protect it - tax your corporations for carbon emissions and buy up the amazon to protect it. Simple.
    - AnthonyMouse 7y ago

codextremist 7y ago

Precise, couldn't agree more

rbanffy 7y ago

> Why does Brasil have to suffer alone for the world’s lungs? Because we all know Brazilians don't need oxygen to breathe.