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This is the main consideration I give to gun ownership. When there is a tyrannical government in power who is violently oppressing the people, would any new la
by cheez 7y ago
This is the main consideration I give to gun ownership.
When there is a tyrannical government in power who is violently oppressing the people, would any new laws eventually prevent me from walking up to an agent of the tyrannical state and shoot them in the head? i.e., would it be possible to have localized insurrections against government? Make no mistake, it is this fear that prevents most governments from overreaching.
If the answer is no, then the rule is not allowed. Licensing would be a slippery slope into complete gun control and consolidating power over the people.
If you want further proof, look at what is happening in the socialist countries in South America. The government is murdering their own people who are defenseless.
If you want further proof that an armed populace is a good check against (real or perceived) tyranny, look at Afghanistan, Iraq, and of course USA (hello UK!)
- throwaway082729 7y agoThe right wing people seem to be ok with a dictatorship if it gets them what they want. Left wingers are less likely to open guns so this point is moot. Also what chance do these guns have against the army's artillery.
- MobileVet 7y ago‘You are bringing a musket to a drone fight’ - Jim Jeffries
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- cheez 7y agoHe's a brilliant comedian, but he doesn't understand that people have successfully fought off the might of the US army in recent decades. That's why China colonizes economically.
- cheez 7y agoThe point is not that the populace can win. It's that the populace can make it difficult enough for them to give up. And just FYI, most government murder of their own citizens has been done by left wing governments in the last century. Want to guess what Nazi was short for? National Socialist Party. Want to guess the first step of murderous left wing governments? Gun confiscation. Am I saying that the US government is going to murder citizens (lol, already does it)? No. But don't make it easier.
- cheez 7y agoCurious why this was flagged?
- tempguy9999 7y ago> (hello UK!) Brit here. What are you on about?
- cheez 7y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution
- tempguy9999 7y agoFair cop! upvoted.
- cheez 7y agoJust this conversation made me miss my British work buddies.
- XorNot 7y agoIn Afgahnistan, AK-47s are so common that the US has air-striked weddings due to celebratory gunfire. Which should probably tell you something about the assumption about the accessibility of the guns, and the likely outcome of your fantasy there...
- cheez 7y agohttps://www.washingtonpost.com/world/afghan-government-shut-out-of-us-taliban-peace-talks-running-short-on-options/2019/03/18/92cd6128-497d-11e9-8cfc-2c5d0999c21e_story.html?utm_term=.f41b4bab769b https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/afghan-government-shut-... https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/pakistan/pakistan-to-join-us-russia-and-china-to-craft-prace-pact-with-taliban/articleshow/70219048.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/pakistan/pakistan-to-joi... https://apnews.com/c77e9e7ec5b1490ab7394f0dcc64588b https://apnews.com/c77e9e7ec5b1490ab7394f0dcc64588b Whether you like it or not, the US lost in Vietnam, they lost in Afghanistan though I haven't kept up on Iraq, reading a few books about the topic showed me that the main impetus for leaving is that it is hopeless for the US to "win". Edit: IF memory serves, this was the plan laid out by Bin Laden. The guy even put it on video and the stupid US government followed through. Unfortunately, web bitrot has made it difficult to find the relevant articles.
- XorNot 7y agoThe US is/was not the local government in Afgahnistan, Iraq or Vietnam. Nor has it ever had a clear definition of what "victory" actually looks like in those places (nor any policy-level understanding or interest in the local culture and political dynamics that might enable it to develop one). But it's worth noting that no victory was achieved by the insurgent forces that ever lasted in any of those places: the US, so long as it maintained the military will to stay, could bomb and destroy the insurgents indefinitely. It just couldn't tolerate the political cost of why it's people were being sent to die "over there", and a public which was and is dissatisified with foreign civilian casualties inflicted by US military missions.
- cheez 7y ago