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I've been thinking about this, and I believe with what we know today about neuroplasticity, if you take a multiple-year approach to "uploading" at the end of yo

I've been thinking about this, and I believe with what we know today about neuroplasticity, if you take a multiple-year approach to "uploading" at the end of your biological life, assuming one is able to couple digital and biological neurons transparently enough, there is no reason to believe that the brain wouldn't shift all parts over to the digital as the biological went down. This would definitely be "you". I think the main question is whether we will achieve a sufficiently transparent digital neuron anytime in the next few centuries, and whether your personality would change during the "upload". A more scary thought is, what if we develop human-to-human transfer capabilities long before we develop digital neurons? Then I think it os inevitable that people in power will purchase young humans and transfer to those at the end of their life. Maybe this will be some dystopian nightmare. Or maybe it will turn out to be the ultimate version of marriage, if the two "selves" remain distinct in the merged brain.

jacobush 7y ago
Hm, the ultimate marriage is not that IMHO. It's some kind of horror movie version of marriage.
wruza 7y ago
“Then I think it os inevitable that people in power will purchase young humans and transfer to those at the end of their life. Maybe this will be some dystopian nightmare” Depending on how you see it, that already happens by having “a son who will continue my deed”. People give a birth to people, pass down genes, knowledge, viewpoints, behavioral patterns. What you mean is probably that ‘self-aware thing’ that could teleport to a new body. But in fact there is no teleportation, since there is no evidence of such ‘thing’. You could make a fresh copy of your body (or a machine) and maybe copy your brain contents to it, but you will not see from these new eyes. Someone completely un-different will do. Because no soul; sensory gaps define borders between us, your original eyes are still in place and your sad brain is still there. Your copy will be happy that they are alive for yet another century, but it is no different than when someone very similar is already young and happy while you’re slowly decaying. Why not just tell them all your stories and fade out then? That brings us into the situation where dystopian nightmare already exists (it ain’t me, it ain’t meee) and you’re doomed to live in your body no matter what till the death.
- semi-extrinsic 7y ago
  > but you will not see from these new eyes No, what I am proposing is that if done carefully, gradually, strengthening the link over a timespan of several years, it would be possible to actually see from these new eyes. The mind would gradually expand into the other brain.
  - modzu 7y ago
    maybe a closer reality is doing this temporarily via TCMS. scan one brain, and impose the neural pattern on a target brain. the beauty is that its temporary. you could plug into someone else, and for a moment experience what they are experiencing, even through their eyes
    - therein 7y ago
      Everyone here seems to be missing his point. He is talking about transferring over the thing that is "you" in a continuous fashion, over time, into another host. "continuous" is the key here, as in the "self-aware thing" that is you will not have a disruption in his aware conscious experience. No disruption in history.
deltron3030 7y ago
The hybrid brain approach sounds interesting.
ASalazarMX 7y ago
>if you take a multiple-year approach to "uploading" at the end of your biological life, assuming one is able to couple digital and biological neurons transparently enough, there is no reason to believe that the brain wouldn't shift all parts over to the digital as the biological went down. I think this is still making a copy, just gradually. The original died and the copy replaced it. How about we just make a full copy and euthanize the original? The copy for all intents and purposes is now the original. You won't live forever, but your copy will, and it'll enjoy it as much as if it was you.

jacobush 7y ago

Hm, the ultimate marriage is not that IMHO. It's some kind of horror movie version of marriage.

wruza 7y ago

“Then I think it os inevitable that people in power will purchase young humans and transfer to those at the end of their life. Maybe this will be some dystopian nightmare” Depending on how you see it, that already happens by having “a son who will continue my deed”. People give a birth to people, pass down genes, knowledge, viewpoints, behavioral patterns. What you mean is probably that ‘self-aware thing’ that could teleport to a new body. But in fact there is no teleportation, since there is no evidence of such ‘thing’. You could make a fresh copy of your body (or a machine) and maybe copy your brain contents to it, but you will not see from these new eyes. Someone completely un-different will do. Because no soul; sensory gaps define borders between us, your original eyes are still in place and your sad brain is still there. Your copy will be happy that they are alive for yet another century, but it is no different than when someone very similar is already young and happy while you’re slowly decaying. Why not just tell them all your stories and fade out then? That brings us into the situation where dystopian nightmare already exists (it ain’t me, it ain’t meee) and you’re doomed to live in your body no matter what till the death.

semi-extrinsic 7y ago
> but you will not see from these new eyes No, what I am proposing is that if done carefully, gradually, strengthening the link over a timespan of several years, it would be possible to actually see from these new eyes. The mind would gradually expand into the other brain.
- modzu 7y ago
  maybe a closer reality is doing this temporarily via TCMS. scan one brain, and impose the neural pattern on a target brain. the beauty is that its temporary. you could plug into someone else, and for a moment experience what they are experiencing, even through their eyes
  - therein 7y ago
    Everyone here seems to be missing his point. He is talking about transferring over the thing that is "you" in a continuous fashion, over time, into another host. "continuous" is the key here, as in the "self-aware thing" that is you will not have a disruption in his aware conscious experience. No disruption in history.

deltron3030 7y ago

The hybrid brain approach sounds interesting.

ASalazarMX 7y ago

>if you take a multiple-year approach to "uploading" at the end of your biological life, assuming one is able to couple digital and biological neurons transparently enough, there is no reason to believe that the brain wouldn't shift all parts over to the digital as the biological went down. I think this is still making a copy, just gradually. The original died and the copy replaced it. How about we just make a full copy and euthanize the original? The copy for all intents and purposes is now the original. You won't live forever, but your copy will, and it'll enjoy it as much as if it was you.