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I think it's essentially draws back to the incel/hikkomori phenomenon. You never see young men in relationships doing these kinds of things...whether it's a whi
by darawk 7y ago
I think it's essentially draws back to the incel/hikkomori phenomenon. You never see young men in relationships doing these kinds of things...whether it's a white right wing mass shooter or an Islamic suicide bombing. People seem to want to pin these things on ideology, because that's the reason the perpetrators themselves give for what they do. But it seems more likely to me to be a reaction to a life they view as having no future, by which I mean no prospect of a successful romantic relationship with the opposite sex.
- s9w 7y agoThe whole incel think was made up rather recently in a coordinated effort. Just one of many counter examples: A couple of days ago an African tried to kill three Germans, succeeding in killing one child. He was the father of three children. https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/getoeteter-junge-im-frankfurter-hauptbahnhof-mutmasslicher-taeter-ist-vater-von-drei-kindern/24852136.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/getoeteter-junge-im...
- darawk 7y agoI'm not blaming the incel community. I'm actually essentially taking their side. Our society doesn't help men in that situation very well, and treats them exceptionally poorly. And sure, counter-examples exist, though that particular one isn't really in the same space as this. Certainly people kill each other, and sometimes crazy people kill random strangers. But that was not a mass killing in the sense that this El Paso situation was, or that 9/11 was.
- Tomte 7y agoHe was in therapy for mental illness. I'm not sure why you're bringing this case up, but it can't be good.
- skinnymuch 7y agoWhat does that mean? A lot of people are in therapy and almost everyone could benefit from therapy. Was it some really serious mental illness? Or merely mental health issues when compared to shooting and killing people.
- belltaco 7y agoI don't think the Christchurch shooter was an incel, apparently he had pictures on social media partying with women. And he killed 50.
- mkl 7y ago51 :-(
- tomhoward 7y agoHe didn't seem to have a successful social life. I don't want to spread any more content about him by sharing links or quotes here, but I think it's important to dispel the suggestion that he had a well-functioning social or relationship life. Media interviews with people who knew of him all indicate that suggestion is false.
- FooHentai 7y ago>People seem to want to pin these things on ideology, because that's the reason the perpetrators themselves give for what they do. But it seems more likely to me to be a reaction to a life they view as having no future, by which I mean no prospect of a successful romantic relationship with the opposite sex. It's both. A combination of hopelessness for their future and an ideology that can be seized upon to fill that same void. 50 virgins in the afterlife is the simplest example of this. Whom might such a future appeal to? Not so much the successful family man, I think. But it's not the only ideology that fits the bill. If you can promise any kind of wider purpose to someone's life (e.g. save your race!) that'll inherently appeal to a portion of the people that feel their life lacks meaning. If that group gets bigger AND an ideology gets increasing mind-share, you get the phenomenon we're now experiencing.
- watwut 7y agoIf you read about shooters, there are good reasons why girls don't date them. Mostly them being impossible to even speak with for anyone. Or maybe, girls are less likely to date increasingly violent dude. Or dude who refuses to speak to them. And it has nothing to do with dude "having no prospects". That people in this state then fit greatly into ideological bubble that feeds their delusions is something we can criticize ideological bubble for.