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I think that technology has brought us some truly marvelous things. But they also enable us to avoid casual social contact while enabling us to withdraw from me
by wyldfire 7y ago
I think that technology has brought us some truly marvelous things. But they also enable us to avoid casual social contact while enabling us to withdraw from meaningful social contact.
Online anonymity permits endless Sybil attacks -- helping turn communities' frustration from anger and rage into violence. I'm guessing/assuming that 8chan is an anything goes censorship free community (like 4chan was/is?). And maybe it's not explicitly in support of racist ideals but instead refuses to condemn any ideologies or discussion. But because of other communities' moderation, they likely become one of the bastions of the racists. So even if their ownership never had any interest in hate speech, their platform becomes a de facto mechanism for its spread.
As much problems as anonymity causes I sure don't think that some new Real World Identity driven Internet would be a good idea. But sites with next to no content moderation seem like a bad idea. Not that I can imagine a resolution, really.
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I imagine how frustrated I might feel if I didn't have some kind of daily work or creative task to keep me busy and fill me with purpose. If I felt depressed I might be willing to blame it on someone. If everything I read said that in fact there is someone to blame, I wonder: would I be able to see through that? Would I stand up and say 'no, that's wrong: those people aren't the source of our problems'? I like to think I would. But I've definitely caught myself (long after the fact) buying into BS groupthink/hivemind conspiracy hogwash.
- fwip 7y agoYep - 8chan was started because even 4chan wasn't odious enough for them.
- faissaloo 7y agoThis keeps getting repeated but it's not exactly true, 8chan was started because Fredrick Brennan had a shroom trip where he saw an Ouroboros and came up with the idea to make a 4chan where you could make your own board. People then ended up migrating over during GamerGate because Moot was shutting down discussion of it.
- zaksoup 7y ago> [...] shutting down discussion of [gamergate]. My, what an interesting way of saying "banning users posting sexually violent threats"
- panpanna 7y agoTo people dowvoting parent: please google gamergate Charlottenville
- s9w 7y agoNot only is there no connection between pro-gamergate and threats, it's literally the other way round. And Charlottesville has absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever
- panpanna 7y agoLiterally the first item on a DGG search: "How Charlottesville and Gamergate are Completely Related" Second item: "Matthew Robert Warner: From GamerGate to Identity Evropa"
- leereeves 7y agoThe first item is an opinion piece from the very credible Xennial-in-Chief writing for brokeassstuart.com with no relevant facts. The second is about one person who is literally the only connection IdentifyEvropa found between the two groups. And what was that connection? He tweeted a few tweets about it. https://identifyevropa.org/tag/gamergate/ https://identifyevropa.org/tag/gamergate/ The lack of substantial links only provides evidence that there is no real connection.
- faissaloo 7y agoBy this logic Zoe Quinn is the reason for the rise of 21st century nazism.
- blueboo 7y agoOr rather, the speech wasn’t “free” enough. > 8chan’s founder, Fredrick Brennan, created the site in response to what he sees as the ongoing and vast loss of free speech on the Internet. On 8chan, “anyone can say what they want and mean,” Brennan told the Daily Dot. > Brennan now calls 8chan a “free-speech-friendly 4chan alternative.” > He called 4chan “authoritarian” and accused it of turning into a soulless for-profit venture. https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/8chan-pedophiles-child-porn-gamergate/ https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/8chan-pedophiles-child-porn-...
- mieseratte 7y agoFor every attempt at censorship there will be those that bristle at authoritarianism and react. Then there will be those that devolve into accusing free speech supporters as supporters of specific disagreeable speech.
- fwip 7y agoYep, 8chan users wanted to be shittier than even 4chan would let them be.
- novok 7y agoThe red light district effect
- irvwash 7y ago> I'm guessing/assuming that 8chan is an anything goes censorship free community (like 4chan was/is?). And maybe it's not explicitly in support of racist ideals but instead refuses to condemn any ideologies or discussion More or less. More so than 4chan. 8chan is like Reddit (and unlike 4chan) in that it allows anyone to set up a subcommunity that they can moderate however they like. Only illegal content (and nude/sexual images of children, and certain spam) isn't allowed at all. Individual boards may be moderated very tightly. There are all kinds of boards there, even for communists, and for Muslims. They're scrupulous about allowing even things they don't like. /pol/ is the board where these manifestos keep getting posted. The shootings generally get celebrated there. It's actively moderated, as visible in the moderation log: https://8ch.net/log.php?board=pol https://8ch.net/log.php?board=pol But /pol/ is not just any board. I stopped paying attention after the Christchurch shooting, but at that time, it was the only large global board, a board owned by the administration. Global site volunteers, who are normally only authorized to handle illegal content (aside from roles they have on other boards) were allowed to moderate /pol/. The site owners set the rules and policies for the board and appointed its ordinary (non-global) moderators. /pol/ became a global board after its previous owner mismanaged it and the administration seized it. The community was already like that, and if the administration tried to change things locally people would just flock to a different more permissive board. But I think 8chan is a little more than just a platform in this case.
- lonelappde 7y agoExplain to me the important differences between /pol/ and Al Queda, that would make the US military choose not to order drone strikes on /pol/ operatives
- liability 7y agoControl of territory. Al Queda and/or their associates were effectively a government, while /pol/ can only wish for that sort of power. (Related to that is the matter of geographic distribution. One of these guys could be your next door neighbor, and the US Military is not allowed to drop bombs in American neighborhoods. That's in the Constitution.)
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- matt-attack 7y agoInteresting that a google search for "8chan" doesn't return a link to it anywhere on the first page of results (for me).
- codysan 7y agoIt's been, along with some other *chans, scrubbed from Google search results for quite some time now.
- matt-attack 7y agoInteresting. Didn’t know Google censored like that. I guess it was a bit naive of me. Any list of known sites censored by Google? I’d be interested in visiting them...
- HoveringOrb 7y ago>maybe it's not explicitly in support of racist ideals Let me stop you right there...
- adwi 7y ago“In a Sybil attack, the attacker subverts the reputation system of a peer-to-peer network by creating a large number of pseudonymous identities and uses them to gain a disproportionately large influence.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack