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How does a guy (Zghair) convicted of reckless driving get a job as a driver?

by Zanni 7y ago

philip1209 7y ago
I bet the blame here is with one of the insurance companies, rather than the JW Logistics. If the driver can get insured at the same cost as somebody without a reckless driving charge, then there is probably limited downside for the company to hire him.
- dmix 7y ago
  Is that the case with insuring delivery drivers or are you speculating?
- Shivetya 7y ago
  well depending on your state it may never be reported properly if at all. A recent horrific crash in New Hampshire[1] that killed seven motorcyclist was caused by a driver who never should be on road but records were either not shared with other states, taken in from other states, or even left the bin they got filed in [2] simply because they just sat unprocessed. [1] https://www.npr.org/2019/06/22/735027835/pickup-truck-in-new-hampshire-collides-with-marine-motorcycle-group-leaving-7-de https://www.npr.org/2019/06/22/735027835/pickup-truck-in-new... [2] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nearly-900-drivers-suspended-in-wake-of-deadly-motorcycle-crash-in-new-hampshire/ar-AADUrxi?ocid=spartandhp https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nearly-900-drivers-suspend...
dsfyu404ed 7y ago
Because reckless driving is a weak signal. It covers a huge spectrum of behavior. It should really be called "driving on the aggressive end of reasonable in the presence of a cop" because that describes more of the behavior it's written for than "reckless". Where I'm from it's what you get when they actually have no good reason to pull you over but did it anyway on a hunch that you look like you have drugs or something or if you're dumb enough to talk back at the cop. Sure, a few people are actually "reckless" but there are fancier charges with bigger fines that they actually get and that's what the insurance flags people on.
- whenchamenia 7y ago
  I got that charge for "shifting gears" which was "unusual behavior". I won in court, because I drive a manual. But you arent joking. It all needs more perspective.
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    I got it from campus cops for driving a university owned obvious project vehicle over a speed table on said university campus at exactly the speed limit (in order to ensure that our equipment didn't go out of adjustment if you bottomed out hard). I changed my behavior for the remainder of my time there to ensure that was the most expensive ticket they'd ever write.
- alistairSH 7y ago
  Why the downvotes? My experience mirrors that of the parent comment. Police in VA use reckless driving (along with several other statutes) as catch-all "I don't like the way you look, so I'm gonna pull you over and hassle you" rules. Also in VA, anything over 80mph is automatically reckless driving, even when the posted limit is 70mph. Empty, straight interstate and 80mph? Criminal charges, a night in jail (better hope its not a Friday evening, or it becomes a weekend in jail), and expensive lawyer bills. At least residents know about the racket - anybody passing through better hope they don't look get on the wrong side of Johnny Law.
  - chillydawg 7y ago
    I mean, you could just not break the speed limit...
    - lancepioch 7y ago
      Where I live and have been, it's not uncommon to get pulled over for going the speed limit or lower.
    - alistairSH 7y ago
      In most states, going 10 over is not a criminal offense (most traffic offenses != criminal offenses since the mid-1970s in the US, which is why you can usually pay the fine remotely, no court, no lawyer, no jail). It is a criminal offense in VA. And the police use it to selectively harass people. Anyways, that was just one example. Reckless driving ("you pulled away from that light too fast" even when you were slower than the minivan in the next lane), illegal lane change ("I saw you swerve" even when you didn't), and other statutes are used to pull over anybody the police want with impunity.
frankharv 7y ago
He also presented fake ID to cross the Canadian border. You don't think he was capable of the same to get a driving job?

How does a guy (Zghair) convicted of reckless driving get a job as a driver?

by Zanni 7y ago

How does a guy (Zghair) convicted of reckless driving get a job as a driver?

I bet the blame here is with one of the insurance companies, rather than the JW Logistics. If the driver can get insured at the same cost as somebody without a reckless driving charge, then there is probably limited downside for the company to hire him.

dmix 7y ago
Is that the case with insuring delivery drivers or are you speculating?
Shivetya 7y ago
well depending on your state it may never be reported properly if at all. A recent horrific crash in New Hampshire[1] that killed seven motorcyclist was caused by a driver who never should be on road but records were either not shared with other states, taken in from other states, or even left the bin they got filed in [2] simply because they just sat unprocessed. [1] https://www.npr.org/2019/06/22/735027835/pickup-truck-in-new-hampshire-collides-with-marine-motorcycle-group-leaving-7-de https://www.npr.org/2019/06/22/735027835/pickup-truck-in-new... [2] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nearly-900-drivers-suspended-in-wake-of-deadly-motorcycle-crash-in-new-hampshire/ar-AADUrxi?ocid=spartandhp https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nearly-900-drivers-suspend...

dsfyu404ed 7y ago

Because reckless driving is a weak signal. It covers a huge spectrum of behavior. It should really be called "driving on the aggressive end of reasonable in the presence of a cop" because that describes more of the behavior it's written for than "reckless". Where I'm from it's what you get when they actually have no good reason to pull you over but did it anyway on a hunch that you look like you have drugs or something or if you're dumb enough to talk back at the cop. Sure, a few people are actually "reckless" but there are fancier charges with bigger fines that they actually get and that's what the insurance flags people on.

whenchamenia 7y ago
I got that charge for "shifting gears" which was "unusual behavior". I won in court, because I drive a manual. But you arent joking. It all needs more perspective.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  I got it from campus cops for driving a university owned obvious project vehicle over a speed table on said university campus at exactly the speed limit (in order to ensure that our equipment didn't go out of adjustment if you bottomed out hard). I changed my behavior for the remainder of my time there to ensure that was the most expensive ticket they'd ever write.
alistairSH 7y ago
Why the downvotes? My experience mirrors that of the parent comment. Police in VA use reckless driving (along with several other statutes) as catch-all "I don't like the way you look, so I'm gonna pull you over and hassle you" rules. Also in VA, anything over 80mph is automatically reckless driving, even when the posted limit is 70mph. Empty, straight interstate and 80mph? Criminal charges, a night in jail (better hope its not a Friday evening, or it becomes a weekend in jail), and expensive lawyer bills. At least residents know about the racket - anybody passing through better hope they don't look get on the wrong side of Johnny Law.
- chillydawg 7y ago
  I mean, you could just not break the speed limit...
  - lancepioch 7y ago
    Where I live and have been, it's not uncommon to get pulled over for going the speed limit or lower.
  - alistairSH 7y ago
    In most states, going 10 over is not a criminal offense (most traffic offenses != criminal offenses since the mid-1970s in the US, which is why you can usually pay the fine remotely, no court, no lawyer, no jail). It is a criminal offense in VA. And the police use it to selectively harass people. Anyways, that was just one example. Reckless driving ("you pulled away from that light too fast" even when you were slower than the minivan in the next lane), illegal lane change ("I saw you swerve" even when you didn't), and other statutes are used to pull over anybody the police want with impunity.

frankharv 7y ago

He also presented fake ID to cross the Canadian border. You don't think he was capable of the same to get a driving job?